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THE LIGHTWAVE MAILING LIST COLLECTION - HOW ALL THIS WORKS...

This new collection has been created to house the "LightWave Mailing
List."

The purpose of this mailing list is to discuss the LightWave 3D
rendering, and animation software, which is included with NewTek's
Video Toaster, and is not available separately.  Often, other related
topics, such as other renderers, display boards, accessory programs,
other Video Toaster functions and problems and solutions will be
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discussed here.  Many Amiga artists of renown will participate in
this mailing list and the list will eventually generate a very high
amount of postings (articles) each week, similar to the Imagine
Mailing List which is also available here.

(Please note that the words "article", "posting", and "message" all
mean the same thing in this explanation).

This list is moderated by Bob Lindabury and up till now if you wanted
to be a member of the mailing list and read postings from other
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members or post your own comments to the list for all to read, you had
to request admission to the mailing list, and its letters would be
automatically fed into your Portal email box.  Well we've just made
it easier since the LightWave Mailing List will now be fed directly into
this [collection] here in the Amiga Zone.  This makes the list
automatically available to ALL Portal subscribers.  Portal's great
Internet connections make this totally automated and easy for us to
bring to you - you just can't get this kind of worldwide connectivity
on any other commercial dial-up service.

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"Porting" the LightWave mailing list into this message base also
takes a burden off of Portal's disk drives since now only
ONE copy of each posting in the mailing list will be on Portal, right
here in his collection, instead of a few dozen copies of the same
posting being sent individually to everyone on Portal who might want to
subscribe to the list.

Due to the vast amount of disk space available in the Amiga Zone, we
can hold thousands of articles here without having older ones
"scroll off" to make way for newer ones.  Periodically, perhaps every
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couple hundred articles, we'll download and archive and post them into
the file library for added convenience, for those of you who prefer
to download and read offline to avoid connect charges.

The other main advantage to feeding the list into this collection is
that you won't have to keep removing the letters from your mailbox to
stay under Portal's monthly Kilobyte storage charge, which is incurred
if you let too many letters pile up in your mailbox.  This could easily
be a problem for folks who might be away from home or on vacation and
who could not access their Portal mailbox, to read and clean it out,
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for some stretch of time, but who didn't want to miss any of the
postings to this mailing list.  Now you/they won't have to.

PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS COLLECTION IS "READ ONLY."  You cannot post
anything directly into this collection and have it appear immediately,
as you can do in all of the Amiga Zone's other message bases.

ALL postings to the LW mailing list must be done via email.  They can be
sent either privately, to anyone who posted one of the messages you
read here, or they can be posted to everyone on the LightWave Mailing
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List, for all to read.  It just depends on how you address your
outgoing letter.

In the former case, (private replies) what you send will be strictly
private between you and the addressee.  In the latter case (public
replies), what you send will "echo" back into this collection after the
mailing list's host machine processes it, where everyone using Portal
who reads this collection can see it, and ALL "regular" subscribers to
the list at hundreds of other locations will have it delivered to
them in the usual way.
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HOW TO POST TO THE LIGHTWAVE MAILING LIST ::: READ CAREFULLY
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#### PRIVATE REPLIES TO POSTED ARTICLES #####

TO MAKE A PRIVATE POSTING VIA EMAIL TO SOMEONE WHOSE POSTING YOU
ARE READING -

Command:
...you can finish reading the posting or reply while reading
any "page" of a multi-page posting.  Simply get your cursor to the
Portal "command:" prompt if it's not already there (to get to
the "commad:" prompt you can always type a control-c) and type
"mail send <return>"  (don't use the quote marks of course!).  Portal
will format an outgoing letter for you and pre-address it with the
email path of the person who posted the notice to which you're
replying.

You can add other names to the address by separating multiple addresses
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with commas, just like you do whenever using Portal email.  If you
leave it as is, only that one person will receive your letter.

Example: say you're reading an article posted by "[e-mail]" and
you want to send him a private reply, but you also want to send a
private copy of your reply to your friend "Joe Schmoe" who is a
Portal subscriber.

After you type "mail send" at the command: prompt as instructed
above, and when Portal pre-addresses the "to:" line of your letter with
Command:
[e-mail]'s address you simply add a comma, and then
Joe Schmoe's name after the comma so that the to: line looks
like this:

[e-mail],joe schmoe

The letter will be sent, privately, to both those guys at the same
time.  You can add as many addresses to your to: line as will fit
into 255 characters. You can intermix valid Internet email addresses,
"bang" style addresses, Portal user names, and Portal user's
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valid pseudonyms.

Type your letter.  Remember to hit a <return> at the end of each 80 column
line because Portal will not auto-wrap long lines for you.  If you
wish, invoke Portal's "vi" screen editor and use it instead of the
default editor.  (Don't get into vi unless you know how to get out of
it!).  Then get to the command: prompt again when you're finished
typing your letter and type "ok <return>" you will get a response
of "mail sent" and be right back reading the posting you were
originally reading.  YOU DO NOT HAVE TO LEAVE THIS MESSAGE BASE TO SEND
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A LETTER!

### PUBLIC POSTINGS ###

TO ADD YOUR OWN POSTING TO THE LIGHTWAVE MAILING LIST WHICH EVERYONE ON
THE LIST WILL SEE, AND WHICH WILL COME BACK AND AUTOMATICALLY BE
POSTED TO THIS COLLECTION::::

Do the same as though you were sending a private letter as outlined
above.  However, when Portal auto-formats the "to:" line of the
letter, make sure your cursor is on the to: line and type a control-u
(hold down control key, hit your "u" key) to erase that entire line.
Do a control-L (hold down control key and hit your "L" key) to redraw
your screen.  The to: line will now be empty with your cursor sitting
on it.  You can also backspace over the existing to: line's
contents.

Into the now empty to: line, type in this exact address...

                  [e-mail]
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and then hit a <return>.  This is the address to use if you wish to
contribute to the LightWave mailing list such that everyone who receives
the list will see your posting.

Type your letter, and finish it off as outlined earlier where I
described how to send a private letter. You will see the same "mail sent"
response from Portal after you send off your letter.  It will be processed
by the mailing list's host machine and be delivered to everyone who
subscribes to the list.  In the case of Portal people, your posting
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will echo back into this collection.  It might show up later the same
day that you sent it or maybe the next day or at worst, a couple
days later.

Remember to observe the usual "etiquette" and if you quote another
posting into your own, trim down the original so that you're not
posting a 51 line reply with 1 line of new information and 50 lines quoted
back from the original article.  Only quote back the relevant portions
of the original article.  The "vi" editor here makes this easy to do
and this is why you should take the time to learn how to use it.
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(Full vi instructions, and tutorials can be found at Portal Pals. Just
"go pals" to get there)

Okay, so you're now all automatically members of the LightWave mailing
list via this collection and we hope you enjoy it.  Of course if you
don't care about LightWave or Toasters, just don't subscribe to this
area!  But I think those of you who do will be rewarding yourselves
with a wealth of useful informaiton.

ps.. be SURE to read the next article after this one. It is Bob
Lindabury's introduction to the LightWave mailing list and contains
more valuable informaiton.
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21400.3.3.3 Bob's Intro to the LW Mailing List
1/7/92 18:15 134/5396 Harv
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  This is the initial announcement of the creation of the "Lightwave"
  mailing list.  The mail-list is currently activated and ready for
  subscribing members. The following is the charter for the list.

  Enjoy!

  Bob Lindabury


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  ----------------------    LightWave3D Mail-List    ----------------------

  -- WHAT IS LIGHTWAVE? --

  Lightwave3D is part of a suite of programs that come bundled with a
  device called the "Toaster" (from NewTek, Inc.) that operates on an
  Amiga platform.  The Lightwave software (Lightwave=Lightwave3D and
  Lightwave Modeler) allows and artist to create three dimensional
  photo-realistic images for a variety of purposes.

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  -- WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? --

  This mailing list is for those interested in the Lightwave software, how
  it operates and in ideas on how to obtain the best quality images
  available to them.  The list is for those who own the Toaster and
  Lightwave as well as those just interested in what can be done with the
  package.  We hope to share information, tips, procedures and to bond as
  a group.

  -- WHAT ARE THE RULES? --
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  Since Lightwave/Modeler are just a part of the Newtek Video Toaster
  software, I'm sure we will discuss a few items related to the operation
  of the Toaster.  However, we will strive to keep the subject revolving
  specifically around the 3D software, related tools and products.

  You do NOT have to own a Toaster to join this list!

  -- OK! HOW DO I JOIN? --

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  To become a member of the Lightwave3D mailing list you must send a mail
  message to the address:

     [e-mail]

  Ask to be signed up and I will sign you up to the list.  At this point
  in time the process is manual but I hope to get an automated script
  based system in place soon.  There shouldn't be too much of a delay in
  joining.  Expect a "welcome" message within 5 days after you send your
  request.  Then, expect the mail to start flowing in!

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  -- HOW DO I POST TO THE LIST? --

  Contributing to the list is simple.  Just mail your articles to the
  following address:

     [e-mail]
  Your article will be processed by the system and distributed to all
  others joined to the list.  Your articles will also be sent to you so
  you know that your article has made it to the list.  However, those
  addresses that are either no good or no longer active will bounce back
  to you.  So, if you post an article and another members address is no
  longer valid, your original article will be returned to you.  This
  doesn't mean it hasn't been posted to the list.  In fact, just the
  opposite is true. It means that your article WAS posted and that it
  couldn't be sent to one or more of the members of the list due to a bad
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  address.

  NOTE: I hope to have a fix for this behavior soon.

  -- HOW DO I QUIT THE LIST? --

  Simply mail a request to be removed from the list to the same address
  you used to sign up:

     [e-mail]

  I will remove your name from the list of members.  PLEASE, if you join
  the list and your account is going to be closed or if you will not be
  able to receive mail for a while, send a request to be removed from the
  list!  If you are just going to lose access for a short while still send
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  a request for a suspension of your membership and I will suspend
  forwarding of the articles to you.


  -- WHAT ABOUT OLD ARTICLES? --

  I am currently archiving all the articles posted to the list at the
  originating site (bobsbox).  However, I can not continue to do this due
  to lack of disk space.   What we need is a volunteer that will maintain a
  compendium of articles sent to the list.  They can compress and store
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  them in archives on their system.  They can then periodically post an
  index of the contents of the compendium and any other information that
  relates.

  If there are no volunteers then maybe someone can donate a large SCSI
  hard drive to me for archival purposes. <grin

  -- NOW WHAT DO I DO? --

  Well, sit back and enjoy the pouring out of information.  If you have
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  something to offer, please feel free to contribute that information to
  the list.  Every little bit helps.  Questions are welcomed!  It makes
  some of us feel important when we can answer them. <grin

  If you have any questions or comments regarding the list, please contact
  me at the address:

     [e-mail]

  Cheers,
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  Bob Lindabury

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21400.3.3.4 some questions
1/8/92 06:11 47/ [e-mail] (Bob Lindabury, SysAdm)
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rutgers!minerva.inesc.pt!pfl (Pedro Faria Lopes) writes:

> Hello,
> I'm quite new in this mailing list. In fact this is the first mail I'm
> sending. First of all I would like to congratulate the person or group
> of persons that got the idea to form the mailing list. Now lets move
> to one simple statement and some questions.

Thanks for the kudos.  I was toying with the idea for some time
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interested in a list and boy was I right.  In only 1 day we have 40
members!  Welcome to the list all!

> I'm one of those very unhappy persons that _don't_have_ the Video
> Toaster. I'm in Europe and we use PAL, see? I tried to get
> information on this and all pointers (no official ones, I must add)
> stated _no_PAL_version_.
> Questions:
> - Is this still true? If yes, are there any plans to create a PAL
> version?
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> - Is anyone in Europe using a NTSC Toaster? How do you deal with that?

Well, I'm sorry to say that I don't know of any work being done on a
PAL Toaster.  This doesn't mean that it isn't possible.

However, I would also like to state that this list is called
"Lightwave" and not "Toaster".  Although we expect to get some
generalized Toaster questions here, we are specifically a Lightwave
3D list.  The majority of talk should center around items related to
the use of the Lightwave3d and Lightwave Modeler software.  Of course
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PAL or NTSC output relates to Lightwave. <grin>

> Thank you for any answers.
> Pedro Faria Lopes
> [e-mail]
> INESC, Phone: [phone] (or 528163); Fax: [phone]

-- Bob


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> - Is anyone in Europe using a NTSC Toaster? How do you deal with that?

I do not recall the name of the organisation, but I did hear that there
was some company/institution that was using NTSC Toasters in a PAL
environment. I believe it was in the Netherlands but I am not sure.
Ofcourse for LightWave it isn't too much of a concern provided you post
process your images with something like ADPro to size them properly.
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Regarding Toasting in PAL. There is a fix, all be it an expensive one.
You can adapt the AC to power the Toaster in PAL countries. Using it in
that mode and primarily for LightWave, you could batch file images in and
out of PAL via ADPro, clumsey true, but it should work.

My gut felling is not to hold your breath waiting for a PAL Toaster,
betweeplus the newly christened MAC/IBM users I think it would be quite
some time before they released a PAL version. Their plate is pretty full.

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     I was wondering what the easiest way to create a starfield or even
just several stars in LightWave to be used in animations with a space
theme. I tried using just single points but they rendered as 'nothing'.
Do I have to use tiny spheres, and if so what size is recommended? I'd
like to get a shimmering or twinkling effect when the lightsource is
animated.

     Every second LightWave animation I see has this type of effect, was

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1/9/92 16:22 31/ [e-mail] (Lightwave Mail-List Request)
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Seems this post was cut off midstream for some reason.    Here it is from
the archives:

On Jan 9, Daryl T. Bartley wrote:

[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]

Okay, dumb question time, I think this was answered before, but what the

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heck, I might as well ask...can Lightwave be used successfully with a DCTV?

I ask this because our school recently acquired some toasters, but in their
infinite wisdom (ack) no single-frame equipment for any of them.

So. Is there any way to get LW to do IFF24 straight? Or is it just framestores?

Sorry for such a dumb question.

I'll stop wasting bandwidth now.
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>      I was wondering what the easiest way to create a starfield or even
> just several stars in LightWave to be used in animations with a space
> theme.

The method I use is to create a 3D volume of stars. This 'universe' is MANY
times larger (100x to 1000x) than the 'ship' that is flying through it.
The stars are a combination of single point polygons (particles in LightWave)
and crude spheres (20 or less polygons). To make the creation task less
tedious, I'll create a couple small star volumes and randomly replicate
them (with various amounts of scaling and rotation) all over the universe.
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The only tricky part is making sure you don't fly into anything in your
animation :-) If the ship will be merely flying straight, The starfield
can be greatly constrained to reduce polygon count. In both cases, a "distant
stars picture" can be mapped to a surface at the universe limits to emulate
bodies your ship will never reach. This allows your star volume to be less
dense while still yielding a visually interesting "galactic view".

> I tried using just single points but they rendered as 'nothing'.
> Do I have to use tiny spheres, and if so what size is recommended?
> Every second LightWave animation I see has this type of effect,
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How did you create your single points? In the modeler, select Points and
create a point. With only that point selected, hit Make or the P key to
create a polygon. Provided the surface attrubutes are viable, this point
will show up in all resolutions at any distance. And it is definately an
overused effect.
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Hi all! Allan Hastings (are you out there?) queried on the net a while back
about whether we'd like to see a feature list for Lightwave 2.0... maybe I
missed the posting. In any case, would someone who knows please post a list of
such features here? I don't have a toaster, yet anyway, and I'm looking to be
persuaded :) Mostly I'm interested in hearing about enhancements to the
renderer (motion blur?), but also in AREXX, and in format loading (does it load
wavefront now?).  Thanks for any info folks!
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On Jan 9, Darren Reid wrote:

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    Sure, no probs using DCTV with Lightwave. Look around for a public
domain program called "DAAM". It watches a directory for new stills, then
converts them as they are finished and saves them as either DCTV stills, or
as DCTV anims.
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Shockwave Surfer
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On Jan 09, rutgers!kean.ucs.mun.ca!cstuckless wrote:

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     LightWave and DCTV make an excellent combination.    To answer Daryl's
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      Also, a pd program called ADAM (or DAAM, I think the name got changed
for some reason) can automatically wait for IFF24's to show up in any given
directory, and convert them to DCTV files. You can also specify whether or not
to save the original IFF24 files. It's an excellent program written with CanDo.
My regards to the programmer, as his name escapes me right now....

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    Sorry: this isn't exactly a LightWave question, but I though this would be
a good place ask my question. Can the Toaster still be bought for the "Introductory
Price" of $1500 with the 1.0 software? I don't have $2500 for the 2.0, but if NewTek
, a dealer, or even <gasp> some MO outfir will sell me the 1.0 for the old price I
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Just joined the mailing list.  I don't have access to a LightWave system at
present, but I'm looking for a job using it.  I hope that this list can keep
me in touch with the features of the system even though I can't play with
them myself.  :-(  I do have Imagine, though, and frequent the Imagine mailing
list as well.

Since I'm not too great of a modeller, I'm always on the look-out for good
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This may be off topic, but since the readers of this mailing list are probably
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Where (or) is there a utility to convert DCTV into a standard IFF24 image which
I can use without having to buy DCTV itself?

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I do not have a "toaster" but everyone seems
excited about this box...does it *only* run
on amigas? With lightwave software
does the toaster itself do
rendering or do you do rendering on the
host (amiga) and use the taoster to mix
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I have nothing against amigas but
they are not very fast machines, will
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> Just joined the mailing list.  I don't have access to a LightWave system at
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> me in touch with the features of the system even though I can't play with
> them myself.  :-(  I do have Imagine, though, and frequent the Imagine mailing
> list as well.
  How do I get on the imagine mailing list?

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Does anyone have a technique for capturing a sequence of frames using the
toaster freeze function. what i would like to do is capture about 60 frames to
convert to iff24 to use in lightwave as surface maps.
I have a Nucleus sfc with panasonic 7750 with F700 smpte cards. storage is not
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Did they (newtek) include a utility so you can load 24 bit and render it
to the toToaster from OUTSIDE the Toaster? Like, can I sen d stuff to the
Toaster without have ing to load the f*@$ing thing every time I want to see
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A basic amiga with a 68000 cpu is somewhat slow by todays standards, yes.
On the other hand, there are 68040 accelerators out there as well as 68030's
and they move along just fine.  If you would like to see some reviews on
68040 accelerators boards, please see the January 1992 issue of amiga world;
pg 52, I think you will be impressed.

I use several different unix platforms, r/s 6000, hp 9000's etc...and an amiga
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To the guy who wants to record a sequence of frames from tape:
Providing you have a clean enough pause on your VCR, "stripe" the tape
with timecode. Tell the SFC to goto a frame, arrex a script or manuals
capture the frame in the toasters framestore, repeat until you have as
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Be aware that this will really put a lot of abuse on your VCR DO clean
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> Did they (newtek) include a utility so you can load 24 bit and render it
> to the toToaster from OUTSIDE the Toaster?

I asked for this capability well over a year ago. Can you believe they
had not even thought of doing such a thing?! It is my impression,
unfortunately, that NewTek has little concern for features such as this.
Its as though they figure nobody would ever NOT want to run the switcher.
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Mark Thompson <rutgers!westford.ccur.com!mark> writes:

> > Did they (newtek) include a utility so you can load 24 bit and render it
> > to the toToaster from OUTSIDE the Toaster?
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> I asked for this capability well over a year ago. Can you believe they
> had not even thought of doing such a thing?! It is my impression,
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Actually there are probably alot of functions that would be put to
better use by scripts than by the point-and-click interface.  I can
think of several.  One being the presentation of still-stores in a
carosel or slide-show fashion or by hot-key transition.  This would
be great for online still store management and playback.  In this
case, the Toaster could be used as a stand-alone still-store.

Another would be for Lightwave scene generation.  Although there is a
script for Lightwave scenes now, there doesn't seem to be a way to
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Lightwave for rendering.  There are times when you might just want to
run a rendering script without all the overhead.  Which brings us to
the point of the stand-alone version of Lightwave.  Anybody hear any
news on one of these?  It only seems natural to be able to use the
Lightwave softwave without having to have a Toaster in your machine.
I know *several* professionals who want this capability especially
now that the "dongle" costs about $1000 more ($2500 list) than it did
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I can't see purchasing a whole nother Toaster so that I can do my
scene setup and attributes and motion tests at home.  We have a
Toaster at the studio and 2 of us want to do a majority of the work
at home and then distribute the rendering tasks between machines for
the final single framing at the studio.  However, this is impossible
due to the lack of stand-alone software.  What is Newtek thinking of??

Also, has anyone heard anything about JPEG format image support for
both loading and saving?  I think this would be a great help in
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The following is a listing of the current members of the Lightwave 3D
mailing list in the order that they joined.  If there are any changes
that need to be made to the mailing addresses, please reply to this
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Also, I would appreciate a few replies to this so that I know all mail
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Hello,

I'm not sure what the status is of the Toaster mailing list, but I have not
been receiving any mail for the last two days.  The last message that I did
receive was regarding the current mailing list of people receiveing the feed.

Can you please send any information or a reply to see if mail is working?
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       Can any onr help me find a glass attribute for my objects,have not been
  able to get it right yet.Is there a way to save attributes in lightwave.


                                       Many thanks in advance
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         Hello again,
      On saving attributes I,ve found I can save them in the scene,but what
about saving textures like bump maps, it seems that each time I save a one
frame scene with a few objects and a few textures it saves the attributes but
not the textures.

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Scott Fleming writes:
> I'm not sure what the status is of the Toaster mailing list, but I have not
> been receiving any mail for the last two days.

Well amazingly enough, we have something like 80 members and not a single
person has a thing to say. I know there are a lot of people on this list
that don't own LightWave and are just listening in, but that can't be
everybody.

Anyway, to get things going, I have a question.... To those of you doing
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extremely quick and flexible, and provide quite good image quality, they
are prone to dropouts. I just got off the phone with Perry from ASDG who
is refering to his brand new Panasonic 3031 as a "$17,000 dot generator"
(not to affectionately I might add). So what are you using for LightWave?
U-Matic SP? Betacam SP? Anyone have the NewTek D2 output thingy? And if
you are using discs, are you using any sort of dropout compensation?
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>Hello,

>I'm not sure what the status is of the Toaster mailing list, but I have not
>been receiving any mail for the last two days.  The last message that I did
>receive was regarding the current mailing list of people receiveing the feed.

>Can you please send any information or a reply to see if mail is working?
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>Thanks for your time, have a good day.

     Everthing seems fine Scott. Guess there's just a 'lull' in the
discussion right now.

     Did anyone else catch a glimpse of Toaster 2.0 on Computer
Chronicles on PBS Sunday night? It was in there 'news' type section
and although I didn't catch it all, something was said about a new 3D
movie or movie 3d something in the new LightWave. I was left wondering
what the newscaster meant by that. It seemed to be read from a press
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> Hello,
>
> I'm not sure what the status is of the Toaster mailing list, but I have not
> been receiving any mail for the last two days.  The last message that I did
> receive was regarding the current mailing list of people receiveing the feed.
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> Can you please send any information or a reply to see if mail is working?
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The list seems to be just fine and dandy.  However, even though we
have around 85 members, it's been a bit slow on the list.  I expect
that to change soon.  I know, you all want to be swamped with mail
right? <grin>

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Well, since there does not seem to be a lot of traffic here, let me ask a couple
questions and see if people can answer.

First, I am very interested to know if someone can explain to me exactly what
is NEW about the LightWave 2.0 modeller.  Are there any beta-testers (who
are not sworn to secrecy) who can post a list?

I imagine that this newsgroup will work much like the Imagine mailing list
in that discussions of RELATED products and how they interact with LightWave
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1.  To what degree (or) does Pixel 3D allow me to convert objects created in the
    Pee Cee program AutoCADD into objects that can be used in Amiga 3D object
    systems such as LightWave and Imagine?
2.  To what degree (or) does Pixel 3D facilitate conversions between different
    Amiga 3D environments?  Since I use Imagine at home and LightWave at work
    (when I am lucky enough to use it...), I would be especially interest
    in Imagine -> <- Lightwave conversions.

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Would someone be willing to post tutorials on various subjects (similar to
what Steve has been doing in the Imagine mailing list) so that those of us
who are not brilliant modellers can benefit from combined experience?

(Hope this gets the ball rolling...)

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Mark Thompson <rutgers!westford.ccur.com!mark> writes:

> Anyway, to get things going, I have a question.... To those of you doing
> single frame recording, what are you using as a recording medium. I have
> pretty much exclusively been using recordable video discs (both the Teac
> LV-210A and Panasonic 3031). While they are wonderful to work with,
> extremely quick and flexible, and provide quite good image quality, they
> are prone to dropouts. I just got off the phone with Perry from ASDG who
> is refering to his brand new Panasonic 3031 as a "$17,000 dot generator"
> (not to affectionately I might add). So what are you using for LightWave?
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> U-Matic SP? Betacam SP? Anyone have the NewTek D2 output thingy? And if
> you are using discs, are you using any sort of dropout compensation?

To tell you the truth, we've been outputing to plain old 3/4" and the
output looks pretty reasonable.  We'd like to go for a video disk but
the cost is just a bit prohibative at the moment.  And, based on your
experiences, we'd rather not get those nasty dropouts. <grin>

I don't remember those types of problems with the Sony model.  I
guess that's why the Teac and Panasonic cost less. B^)  Is the D2 box
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ready?  I didn't think it was available yet.  I doubt we'll be
running out for a D2 machine any time soon however.

On our 3/4" tape, we usually have the DOC on.  It's a fact of life
with U-Matic.

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Here are some FTP sites for TDDD models (made by Imagine).

cs.uoregon.edu [128.223.4.13]:  /incoming - *TDDD models

wuarchive.wustl.edu [128.252.135.4]:  /graphics/graphics/objects/TDDD

Eric Haines

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I use good old 3/4" to record my toaster output. Certainly not the most
ideal medium, but it works. I operate an in-house video facility in a
corporation. We have an A/B roll edit suit, (with time code) using a
CMX 300 editor. The toaster is not usually used for switching, just
for generating graphics.

To record single frames onto 3/4", the Toaster "talks" to my CMX, telling
it to when to record a frame. This interface is a little clumsy, on the
Toaster end. I am hoping that Newtek will improve their serial interface,
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>      Did anyone else catch a glimpse of Toaster 2.0 on Computer
> Chronicles on PBS Sunday night? It was in there 'news' type section
> and although I didn't catch it all, something was said about a new 3D
> movie or movie 3d something in the new LightWave. I was left wondering
> what the newscaster meant by that. It seemed to be read from a press
> release or some such source. Did anyone see/remember the whole thing?

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computer graphics for something called "Babylon V" in the Fall.  I believe
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some scenes that are representative of what we'll see on that show.  Word
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TV in your area may pick up this channel if you're not in New York.

Steve

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> Well, since there does not seem to be a lot of traffic here, let me ask a cou
> questions and see if people can answer.

I'll try my best!

> First, I am very interested to know if someone can explain to me exactly what
> is NEW about the LightWave 2.0 modeller.  Are there any beta-testers (who
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Well, I'm not a 2.0 beta tester so I really can't give you much
information on that topic.  I know Mark Thompson has a list of new
features of the modeller but I don't know if he's had a chance to
test them as of this time.

> I imagine that this newsgroup will work much like the Imagine mailing list
> in that discussions of RELATED products and how they interact with LightWave
> are OK.  Well, I am considering the purchase of Pixel 3D but would like to kn
> 1.  To what degree (or) does Pixel 3D allow me to convert objects created in
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>     Pee Cee program AutoCADD into objects that can be used in Amiga 3D object
>     systems such as LightWave and Imagine?

Well, from what I can gather from the manual, Pixel 3D only converts
TO (save only) in DXF/AutoCAD format.  Quite a dissappointment I
assure you.  I was hoping for the same thing..to be able to read DXF
and create an object from that data.  However, this is not the case
in version 2.0 of Pixel 3D.

> 2.  To what degree (or) does Pixel 3D facilitate conversions between differen
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>     (when I am lucky enough to use it...), I would be especially interest
>     in Imagine -> <- Lightwave conversions.

Well, Pixel 3D will do conversion of objects from several formats.
The formats for objects are:

        Lightwave               Imagine
        3D Professional         Sculpt
        Turbo Silver            Videoscape
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        DXF - AutoCAD (save only)

While it converts these objects, it doesn't keep many attributes if
any when converting from Imagine to Lightwave.  Also, you almost
always have to perform some data manipulation on Imagine objects to
make them usable in Lightwave since Imagine uses 3-sided polygons and
Lightwave/Videoscape use many-sided polygons.  If you just do a
straight conversion from Imagine to Lightwave, rendering times will
be horrible because of all the extra polygons Lightwave has to render.

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At least Pixel has these functions for reducing the points and faces
and then either flipping the polygons or doubling them for use in
Lightwave.  This manipulating of objects is not very intuitive.  I
feel the program should calculate the best settings for the objects
and then enter those settings as the initial data manipulation
settings so that you have a good idea of what they should be.
However, you can usually produce a reasonable conversion object.

Of course you will then have to load the object into Modeller and
re-assign the faces and then into Lightwave for the surface
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attributes.  Quite painstaking I assure you.  It IS easier than
rebuilding the objects if they are complicated objects.  However, for
simple objects, it's sometimes easier just to start from scratch.

I still whole-heartedly recommend Pixel 3D to all who use 3D programs
on the Amiga.  It is a great tool for converting objects and bitmaps
to objects.

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Well, once I get some more submissions, my file-server will be a good
source! <grin>

It's currently up and running and I have a bunch of Imagine objects
and I am building a library of Lightwave/Videoscape objects.  I will
be making an announcement of the server here tommorrow sometime with
instructions on how to access it.  I also have a library of JPEG
renders from various people with most of Mark Thompsons images also.

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a short explaination of what they are and I will include them in the
archives here.

> Would someone be willing to post tutorials on various subjects (similar to
> what Steve has been doing in the Imagine mailing list) so that those of us
> who are not brilliant modellers can benefit from combined experience?

I will probably post a tutorial on producing a tilted spinning Globe
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> (Hope this gets the ball rolling...)

Gee, so do I...things have been slow.  Let's see if we can outshine
the Imagine mailing list!  (sorry Steve...<grin>)

> Stratocaster

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Here's a question to pose to the group...

I'd like to make fractal noise clouds which are transparent so I can fly above
them yet still see the ground. Alan Hastings did this in one of his first
Lightwave animations before it was even part of the Toaster, but I can't figure
out how. I know it must be some simple combination of transparency settings...

Anyone else accomplish this?

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Well, in reponse to Mark's call for format info, I use a Panasonic 3031
piece of #$%#. Sure, it's real damn convenient,especially for grabbing
live video to be processed, an d quick to write to, but with all the
bird droppings all over your image, kinda hard to use the final product
for anything useful. Oh well, I didn't buy the lemon, so I have no real
cause to complain. As long as you keep the eye clean, it's not too bad.

Has anyone tried the Personal SFC? I called Nucleus (sp?) since they're
here in Toronto, and it sounds great (and all the mags love it too) but
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WAY TO PROGRAMME IT!!! Just as the Toaster has no way in to its buffers
etc, so to is the SFC a "closed" system. You can't use to for multimedia
control of a deck, you can't programme it for single frame sequence
grabs from tape etc. etc. I know BCD stuff is more expensive, but it has
full control. You get what you pay for, as always. I expect I'll get one
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>       On saving attributes I,ve found I can save them in the scene,but what
> about saving textures like bump maps, it seems that each time I save a one
> frame scene with a few objects and a few textures it saves the attributes but
> not the textures.

Well all surface attributes for any given object are saved when you save that
object. The scene has nothing to do surface attribute saving. When you say
the scene is saving the attributes, I assume you mean positional, sizing,
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> First, I am very interested to know if someone can explain to me exactly what
> is NEW about the LightWave 2.0 modeller.

Some of the new features I have been using for so long that I can't remember
which are new. Anyway, here is a partial list of what has been added since
1.0 Modeler:

Magnet
Morph
Cross sectional skinning
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2D outline morph
Merge points with tolerance
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Solid preview
Preview point/polydon select
Ellipsoid primitive
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Point/polygon statistics with select/deselect
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> 1.  To what degree does Pixel 3D allow me to convert objects created in the
>     Pee Cee program AutoCADD into objects that can be used in Amiga 3D object
>     systems such as LightWave and Imagine?

P3D 2.0 supports reading in AutoCADD objects and converting them to Imagine,
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LW 2.0 will also read and convert AutoCADD objects.

> 2. To what degree (or) does Pixel 3D facilitate conversions between different
>     Amiga 3D environments?  I would be especially interest
>     in Imagine -> <- Lightwave conversions.

Well it hasn't been released yet but for Imagine <-> Lightwave conversions,
the new InterChange from Syndesis will do a superior job. I beta tested for
this product and I made sure both format were well supported. I might note
however that Impulse has not released the format for their Forms objects
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and hence there are no object converters that currently handle them.

> Would someone be willing to post tutorials on various subjects (similar to
> what Steve has been doing in the Imagine mailing list) so that those of us
> who are not brilliant modellers can benefit from combined experience?

[ WARNING - commercial plug mode on]

I have been working for some time on a book on special effects, animation, and
techniques using LightWave. I am co-authoring it with Mark Swain (who
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and tricks of the pros. It is meant for the person who is already familiar
with the basic operation of the software and concentrates heavily on effects
but includes chapters on modeling, textures, lighting, animation, digital
compositing, and more. Further work on it at the moment is being gated
by the release of 2.0 but we hope to have it out some time mid this year.
If you have seen the article I wrote for Amazing Computing back in August,
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>>Are there any other Toaster functions that are broken under 2.04?

> LightWave 1.0 popup windows (such as those for textures) will hang under
> OS 2.04.

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To get rid of the texture pop-up window (The one that hangs in the
lower part of the screen and prevents access to any buttons behind it)
you can bring up the SCENES window, enter the CLEAR SCENE button,
then CANCEL the request. This will clear it if you can get to it.

Does anyone else running 2.04 experience a lot of startup crashes.
I have to go thru 1 or 2 gurus before I can get the toaster started
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> Is the D2 box ready?  I didn't think it was available yet.  I doubt we'll be
> running out for a D2 machine any time soon however.

Nope, NewTek is projecting a release somewhere near the end of '92
(so we can expect a mid to late '93 availability)

> On our 3/4" tape, we usually have the DOC on.

Sounds like 3/4" is the popular format. Pardon my ignorance but what is DOC?
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Mark Thompson <rutgers!westford.ccur.com!mark> writes:

> > On our 3/4" tape, we usually have the DOC on.
>
> Sounds like 3/4" is the popular format. Pardon my ignorance but what is DOC?
> Destroy Our Computer?

Heh.  No, nothing so sinister..or maybe it is sinister.  It's the
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Mark Thompson <rutgers!westford.ccur.com!mark> writes:

> Oh and as for glass: 100% transparent, opaque edges, color of choice
> (typically white), color filter (if using colored glass), smoothing,
> 50% diffuse, 80% specular, high shiny, 70% reflect.
> That should yield quite satisfactory results.

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I believe this is to be changed in version 2.0 however.  Mark?

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> Speaking of broken functions under 2.04
>
>
> >>Are there any other Toaster functions that are broken under 2.04?
>
> > LightWave 1.0 popup windows (such as those for textures) will hang under
> > OS 2.04.
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> To get rid of the texture pop-up window (The one that hangs in the
> lower part of the screen and prevents access to any buttons behind it)
> you can bring up the SCENES window, enter the CLEAR SCENE button,
> then CANCEL the request. This will clear it if you can get to it.

One way to *avoid* the hanging window syndrome is to always enter the
numbers and hit return instead of using the sliders.  I've found that
the windows don't hang when you do this.

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> Has anyone tried the Personal SFC? I called Nucleus (sp?) since they're
> here in Toronto, and it sounds great (and all the mags love it too) but
> something everyone seems to be ignoring is the fact that THERE IS NO
> WAY TO PROGRAMME IT!!! Just as the Toaster has no way in to its buffers
> etc, so to is the SFC a "closed" system. You can't use to for multimedia
> control of a deck, you can't programme it for single frame sequence
> grabs from tape etc. etc. I know BCD stuff is more expensive, but it has
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> (an SFC) simply for monetary reasons, but how will I do grabs?

To tell you the truth, I haven't used the SFC myself but my associate
(Steve Datkowitz) of Dak Productions has.  He says it's the best
thing since sliced bread. <grin>

I haven't looked over the docs or even played with it yet but I plan
to soon.  I will post my finding as soon as I do.  Maybe Steve will
before I get to it!   However, for grabs, I believe you can control
it via AREXX.  I think you can just create a script for it to
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>      Did anyone else catch a glimpse of Toaster 2.0 on Computer
> Chronicles on PBS Sunday night? It was in there 'news' type section
> and although I didn't catch it all, something was said about a new 3D
> movie or movie 3d something in the new LightWave. I was left wondering
> what the newscaster meant by that. It seemed to be read from a press
> release or some such source. Did anyone see/remember the whole thing?
>

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> Anyway, to get things going, I have a question.... To those of you doing
> single frame recording, what are you using as a recording medium. I have
> pretty much exclusively been using recordable video discs (both the Teac
> LV-210A and Panasonic 3031). While they are wonderful to work with,
> extremely quick and flexible, and provide quite good image quality, they
> are prone to dropouts. I just got off the phone with Perry from ASDG who
> is refering to his brand new Panasonic 3031 as a "$17,000 dot generator"
> (not to affectionately I might add). So what are you using for LightWave?
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OK Mark, I'll take the bait. At Calarts we are currently using a
Mini-Vas hooked up to U-Matic SP decks (Sony 9000 series to be exact).
We can output from either of our two toasters to any of 3 SP decks via
a patch-bay and switcher box. I have written several programs for control
for this setup via AREXX.

    1) Conversion from any Amiga format image to toaster Framestore.

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    2) Complete control of single framing to tape from outside Lightwave
         (still using the Toaster as output device this as been used
         mainly for outputing Imagine renders to tape via the Toaster.)

    3) Complete control of sequential frame GRABBING. This is great for
         "live" animated brushmaps. It is getting used quite a lot.

    4) Conversion from Toaster Framestore images to any Amiga Iff
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Basically students are able to generate renders from any program and output
them to tape with the Toaster. They are also able to grab frames from a
video source sequentially so that they can map them onto an object for an
animated brushmap. There are several students doing something like robot
POV shots where they want to grab video, convert it to HAM or DCTV, then
add hand animation, like flashing computer sceen info, along the edges
to either send back to tape or use as a new animated brushmap.

In addition to this we have a spectacular new device which has only recently
become availabe called the "Image Node". It is made by Diaquest. We received
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the first one to be shipped, but I believe anyone can get them now. It is
essentially a computer in itself. It's works as an Ethernet node which is
a display device AND single frame controller in one. You send it your
images via Ethernet (not sending video, but digital information, the
best quality possible) and it displays and single frames it (it also
grabs). We have it hooked to a S-VHS Panasonic AG-7850 deck (Yes folks,
Super VHS is BETTER quality than U-Matic {but not laser disk, right Mark}).
The Image Node is built to handle many, many different kinds of recording
devices, including laser disk. Unfortunately, most of you won't care about
the Image Node because you already have a display device, like a DCTV or
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because you probably don't have Ethernet cards in your Amigas. We do because
our entire Amiga lab and Iris labs are ethernetted together.  But it is a
very nice device.

Thirdly, we also have the capability to record on 16mm film. This is done
through a "black box" we have built. Enclosed within is a Mitchell 16mm
film camera pointing at a high resolution monitor (1040x1280) with a
display device attached (actually an Iris). It is tweaked optimally
and you cannot tell that it was shot off of a monitor (unless you get out
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At any rate, we have not had any problems with dropouts or missed frames at
all (actually, I was getting dropouts yesterday on the Image Node, but only
because I needed to clean the heads on the deck). Every one of these devices
is quite nice in it's own way. The Mini-Vas can be a bit flaky at times,
but it is usually not something a power reset won't fix. It is my understanding
that the people that make the Mini-Vas are now making (might not be
available yet) the same thing in a "card" form that you can just plug into
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comp.sys.amiga.graphics from this MTS account. I've never been able to
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To join the discussion on Single framing I'll add these comments:
I've been using a BVU800 acoustically, manually editing each frame and
more recently, with a single frame controller P SFC.
I have experienced NO DROP OUT whatso ever and better not! as these are
my on-line decks for now. I understand the early Panaframic and
Teac/Pioneer recordable disc recorders are, ah, less than up to specs for
broadcast. We have been looking into the Sony recorder ($18K) for single
frame recording and all our research still point in this direction. Kind
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Anyway, we rotate the single framing between three BVU's to not totally
destroy one and of course, render all our frames to a Syquest prior to
dumping to tape. We will be getting the new BetaSp machines soon and will
record killer animated there for archiving, otherwise the BVU's are good
choice being the Toaster outputs composite anyway. Course, if we really
start rockin, a D3 VCR (panaFramic) and the D-2 "option" from NewTek
would still be a cool way to archive. I suppose that would be AFTER the
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I am about to purchase a Toaster/Amiga setup for
video editing/compositing. Can anyone
give me some quick advice about the configuration?
I was considering:

    1. Amiga 2000
    2. 50 M hardrive (to start with)
    3. An 030 or 040 acclerator...but which one?

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I might need, I was considering buying a fast Unix box
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I wrote:

> P3D 2.0 supports reading in AutoCADD objects and converting them to Imagine,
> LW, and other formats. However I have never used it with AutoCADD objects.
> LW 2.0 will also read and convert AutoCADD objects.

You idiot, get your facts straight. P3D only saves in DXF. LW2.0 will however
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> And since the *current* version of Lightwave doesn't support
> ray-tracing or refractive indices.....
> I believe this is to be changed in version 2.0 however.  Mark?

Yup, in the Surfaces window there is now a setting for refractive index.
The nicest thing about the new ray tracing in LightWave is that it only
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> On Jan 25, rutgers!mtsg.ubc.ca!Mike.G.Wilson wrote:
> In my experience SVHS looks great in its first genereation, but lousy as
> soon as you try and edit it through a composite device, like the TOaster.

I have pretty much seen the same thing. I personally wouldn't use an S-VHS
deck for single framing unless it was the final master I was recording to.
Even then, this will likely be unacceptable for anything above corporate
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> I've done 3/4 SP multi pass editing (using the 9000 series) through the
> Toaster with minimal image degradation. Noticable, but livable.

Since I don't do any editing, I can't comment on multi pass degredation.
But I will say 3/4 SP is the lowest I am willing to go for commercial
animation work.

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> D3 VCR and the D-2 option from NewTek would still be a cool way to archive.

I am still trying to decide where I am going to place my emphasis for output
format. The TEAC and Panasonic video discs I merely rent time on because I
am not satisfied with their output enough to purchase one. I should mention
that although these units do exhibit occasional white spots in a sequence,
re-dumping to a different location ussually solves the problem, provided the
sequence isn't too long.  However I am considering the Sony and I should be
getting one in for evaluation shortly. I have also considered something like
the BVU-950 but I think the Sony disc will win out. However, once the D2
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This was inadvertantly sent to "lightewave".

On Jan 25, rutgers!mtsg.ubc.ca!Mike.G.Wilson wrote:

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Sean: Your setup re single framing Imagine anims to video is pretty much
what I do as well. I was wondering, however, if you've found a way to run
an arexx script under Imagine while Toasterpaint is running (oh wait, you
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were talking about Framestores...) so you can render, and record and delete
the Imagine frames. In other words, are you going to disk first?

I must leap in to theis SVHS vs 3/4 SP debate, I'm afraid. I'm sure Mark
will too. In my experience (which I admit is not amazingly huge) SVHS looks
great in its first genereation, but lousy as soon as you try and edit (ie
copy) it through a composite device, like, say (for example) the TOaster.
I've done 3/4 SP multi pass editing (using the 9000 series) through the
Toaster with minimal image degradation. Noticable, but livable. I tried
simply running an SVHS comp source through the Toaster for some FX and
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it looked lousy second gen. This is in no way scientific, obviously, but
merely an observation. Also, if it's any indication, the CBC will accept
3/4 SP for broadcast, but not SVHS in any situation (except unique
news items, but they'll accept VHS on EP if it's really big news). Again,
I don't want to get into a big war on this, I'm only making subjective
observations. I of course welcome differing views... (Mark? Mark?)

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> We have it hooked to a S-VHS Panasonic AG-7850 deck (Yes folks,
> Super VHS is BETTER quality than U-Matic {but not laser disk, right Mark}).

If you put a first generation S-VHS tape next to a first generation U-Matic,
most people would probably chose the S-VHS. But most broadcast capable video
outfits prefer U-Matic because it holds up better after multiple generations.
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my clients usually request U-Matic over S-VHS. The video disc does look
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> I am about to purchase a Toaster/Amiga setup for
> video editing/compositing. Can anyone
> give me some quick advice about the configuration?
> I was considering:
>
>     1. Amiga 2000
>     2. 50 M hardrive (to start with)
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The great the biggest harddrive and the fastest acclerator that you
can afford.  Even to start, 50 MB is probably a little small.
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> Since the Amiga lacks the speed and flexibilty I think
> I might need, I was considering buying a fast Unix box
> for my *main* machine where I can run raytracing, custom
> programming, laser printer...and use the Toaster/Amiga
> for video editing. To do this I need to make the
> 2 computers talk. The easiest way seems to be to get
> an ethernet card and the Amiga's version of NFS. Any
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I think you'd be surprised how well the Amiga can produce ray traced
graphics, especially with Lightwave.  Modeler isn't my favorite program...
though.  I prefer to make my 3D objects in Imagine (from Impulse) and
the convert them over to Lightwave format.  A program I'm beta testing,
InterChange Plus will allow you to do that.  If you completely dismiss
the Toaster's 3D capabilities, you're probably just going to make more
work for yourself in the long run.

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of custom programming are you planning on doing?

The ethernet card and Amiga's client NFS should get you hooked up with
a UNIX host with no problem...not sure how well it works with the Toaster
though, I've never tried that.

Steve

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> I was considering:
>     1. Amiga 2000
>     2. 50 M hardrive (to start with)
>     3. An 030 or 040 acclerator...but which one?
> Since the Amiga lacks the speed and flexibilty I think
> I might need, I was considering buying a fast Unix box
> for my *main* machine where I can run raytracing, custom
> programming, laser printer...and use the Toaster/Amiga
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I think you under estimate the rendering speed you will achieve with
LightWave on an accelerated Amiga. A 68040 in an A2000 running LightWave
will run rings around a fast Unix box with a ray-tracer and be a hundred
times easier to use. There is also no reason you couldn't use the Amiga
for laser printing and the other tasks you mentioned. This removes a great
deal of unnecessary expense (and saves electricity :-)

> The easiest way seems to be to get
> an ethernet card and the Amiga's version of NFS. Any
> comments on this approach?
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I network my 2500 with a 2065 ethernet board to our systems at Concurrent
all the time. Works like a champ.

> Finally, I want to composite computer animation with
> live video...can any recommend some "starter" equipment...
> not to expensive but will allow *reliable* single frame
> composites?

What type of compositing? You can render LightWave animations on a black
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This means single frame recording first and then running back through the
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> I am about to purchase a Toaster/Amiga setup for
> video editing/compositing. Can anyone
> give me some quick advice about the configuration?
> I was considering:
>
>     1. Amiga 2000
>     2. 50 M hardrive (to start with)

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and I would consider hard drive size to be one of the most important factors
of purchasing the system.  Of course it depends on what you want to do, but
the Toaster system eats most of the 50 meg drive by itself.  From the rest
of your message, it looks like you would want to do even MORE, in which case
I would suggest a 300 MB minimum configuration.

>     3. An 030 or 040 acclerator...but which one?
>

Make a chart of speed/price and pick whichever looks best to you!
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> Since the Amiga lacks the speed and flexibilty I think
> I might need, I was considering buying a fast Unix box
> for my *main* machine where I can run raytracing, custom
> programming, laser printer...and use the Toaster/Amiga
> for video editing.

Why?  You can do ray-tracing on the Amiga side just as easily.  In fact,
the interfaces of Amiga ray-tracers put UNIX ray-tracers (Ray Shade) to
shame.  The Toaster package includes LightWave (the subject of this
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3-D graphics.  Not only is it VERY easy to use, but it is also pretty fast,
given the type of processor it has to run on!

I don't know why you think you can't hook a laser printer up to an Amiga.
They all come with parallel ports.

> To do this I need to make the
> 2 computers talk. The easiest way seems to be to get
> an ethernet card and the Amiga's version of NFS. Any
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>
I would suggest AVOIDING this approach.  There's nothing you could do on
an Amiga + UNIX box that you couldn't do on the Amiga alone.  At the very
least, you can purchase UNIX and put it on the Amiga system.  What do you
NEED?  TCP/IP support?  Page layout software?  C programming tools?  It's
all there.  And, you would be better off with an integrated system than
you would be trying to get two foreign machine architectures to talk with
one another.

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It is not currently possible to control the Toaster from a UNIX computer.
I can't imagine WHY someone would want to do such a thing.

> Finally, I want to composite computer animation with
> live video...can any recommend some "starter" equipment...
> not to expensive but will allow *reliable* single frame
> composites?  What mistakes can I avoid???

Well, if you skip the UNIX box, you can afford about anything.  A typical
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Okay Lightwave fans...tell me why (or why not)
the Lightwave 2.0 modeler/renderer is better than
Renderman (what about GL ?).

This is a quality argument not a price argument...
the price of an amiga/toaster/lightwave system is very
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>them yet still see the ground. Alan Hastings did this in one of his first
>Lightwave animations before it was even part of the Toaster,but I can't figure
>out how. I know it must be some simple combination of transparency settings.

The effect you are trying to accomplish is very simple. Place one very
large flat polygon between the plane and the ground. Make it the color you
want your clouds to be. Then use fractal noise transparency. Make the
polygon 100% with the texture value being 0 to 50% (depending on how thin
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>Okay Lightwave fans...tell me why (or why not)
>the Lightwave 2.0 modeler/renderer is better than
>Renderman (what about GL ?).

Well RenderMan is a scene description language. But I will assume you were
refering to Photorealistic RenderMan, the actual product based on the
RenderMan spec. First of all, RenderMan only covers the rendering portion
of the job. There is no provision for modeling or animation. Also there is
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make it bearable, you must run it on a fast workstation or a graphics
hardware accelerator. It is however very powerful and in the right hands
can produce wonderful results. It is my understanding that the Mac
implementation of RenderMan is nowhere near complete and lacks many of the
high-end features that make the original Pixar version so nice. Some of the
things that Renderman supports that LightWave currently does not include:
atmospheric effects (beyond simple fog), soft shadows, motion blur, user
codeable shaders, environment maps, advanced lighting models, displacement
mapping, high quality antialiasing, and spline surfaces.  I would love to
see these features added into LightWave but I would not go to RenderMan to
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GL on the other hand is a graphics command language developed by SGI with
the intent being speed (optimized for their systems). GL is not designed or
intended to produce photorealistic imagery, just a reasonable representation
as fast as possible. For example, Phong shading is not supported, only
Gouraud and flat. And since GL is a low level language, you would not want
to use it directly. It is intended to reside underneath third party
applications or used as calls in your own programs. As such it really
does not even remotely compare to LightWave, they are vastly different
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run on any GL compliant system. I would not be shocked if NewTek did this
(why else would they have an Indigo sitting around the office).

In summary, neither GL or RenderMan really compare to LightWave because
they are very different products. You would be better off comparing
LightWave to Autodesk 3D Studio, a wonderful product with a MUCH bigger
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I just uploaded my LightWave version of the MacWorld hurricane lamp image
to hubcap. It can be foun in /pub/amiga/incoming/graphics/hurc.lamp.lzh
If you don't have ftp access, it should be on the graphics server:
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Feel free to let me know what ya think and how it compares to the other
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>> run on any GL compliant system. I would not be shocked if NewTek did this
>> (why else would they have an Indigo sitting around the office).

This is interesting...ok, I know I will get flamed for this but...
the Amiga is great, mostly because it is cheap. I am
checking about the Amiga platform and find it to be a
disturbingly hacked up machine:
    1. You buy a 68000 amiga then must imediately throw
       away the processor and put in an "accelerator" card.
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    2. All nifty graphics are from 3rd party venders,
       not an Amiga thing (so this is not really a selling point).
    3. A good point: it's not DOS...
    4. A bad point: it's not anything else (Unix, Mach...)
It seems that Amiga is selling an empty box and AmigaDOS, everything
else is 3rd party stuff. Looking towards the future, I find it hard
to pay money for such a machine when a very nice *integrated* and
*supported* platform like an SGI Indigo exists...BUT the Indigo is:
    1. Very expensive (when compared to an Amiga)
    2. Very expensive to maintain
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    3. Very expensive to buy software for.

For me, the motivation to accept what I perceive as an ugly
machine architecture (the Amiga) is the NewTek Toaster and the
Lightwave software (this perception of the Amiga is probably
little to harsh due to my lack of experience with the machine).

Similarly, I might consider a more expensive system (e.g., Indigo)
should the NewTek Toaster/Lightwave be ported to that platform.
I don't care what you say about how fast the Lightwave is on
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an Amiga, it should be 5-20 times faster on a R3000A or R4000.
In addition, it seems to me that a 24bit  Indigo (which has integrated
graphics/dsp/cpu engines) would be the ideal platform for video
production if a Toaster-like system was added at an affordable
price...SO, HEY NEWTEK, WHAT'S UP! HOW ABOUT SUPPORT FOR THE
INDIGO?...this is probably unlikely, because the Indigo is
so much more expensive than the Amiga that NewTek would not
be able to sell quite as many.

Alright Amiga fans, I am prepared to get flamed.
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> This is interesting...ok, I know I will get flamed for this but...
> the Amiga is great, mostly because it is cheap. I am
> checking about the Amiga platform and find it to be a
> disturbingly hacked up machine:
>     1. You buy a 68000 amiga then must imediately throw
>        away the processor and put in an "accelerator" card.

The 68000 stays in the machine.  The accelerator card gets put into the
co-processor slot.  Must?  Depends on what you use the machine for...

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>     2. All nifty graphics are from 3rd party venders,
>        not an Amiga thing (so this is not really a selling point).

By this I assume you mean 24-bit graphics...yes, this is true.  However
the base machine can do some really incredible graphics and animation
in it's own right.

>     3. A good point: it's not DOS...

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>     4. A bad point: it's not anything else (Unix, Mach...)

That's only a bad point because you have to learn the way a new system
works.  In many ways it's superior to what's out there now.

> It seems that Amiga is selling an empty box and AmigaDOS, everything
> else is 3rd party stuff.

So are most PC's.....
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You can get the Amiga equipped with hard disk and accelerator card direct
from Commodore, by the way.  Many people prefer adding there own stuff...
I know I do.

> Looking towards the future, I find it hard
> to pay money for such a machine when a very nice *integrated* and
> *supported* platform like an SGI Indigo exists...BUT the Indigo is:

The Amiga is supported by a large number of 3rd party companies...
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>     1. Very expensive (when compared to an Amiga)
>     2. Very expensive to maintain
>     3. Very expensive to buy software for.

You forgot:

        4. Very small installed base.  ;-)
>
> For me, the motivation to accept what I perceive as an ugly
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> machine architecture (the Amiga) is the NewTek Toaster and the
> Lightwave software (this perception of the Amiga is probably
> little to harsh due to my lack of experience with the machine).

Yup...probably right about that one.  You should try out the system for
a while.  I don't know if you've ever tried messing around with installing
boards on a PC, but it's incredible the lengths you have to go to just to
install something new.  With the Amiga, just plug it in, maybe drop in
some support software.  I did that with my hard drive controller, my memory
expansion, an Ethernet card, and with the Toaster and 030 Accelerator card....
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just plug in and go.   How easy is it on the Indigo?  That easy?
Can you get things from third parties?  (I really don't know, so I'm asking).

> Similarly, I might consider a more expensive system (e.g., Indigo)
> should the NewTek Toaster/Lightwave be ported to that platform.
> I don't care what you say about how fast the Lightwave is on
> an Amiga, it should be 5-20 times faster on a R3000A or R4000.

Well, that's probably true, but you won't see the complete Toaster
system ported to the Indigo, unless they go the "hide the Amiga behind
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a label and connect it with a cable" route like they did with the PC or
Mac.  The Toaster is too closely tied to the Amiga architecture.  You'll
never see it in any other form, unless they do a redesign.  Considering
the number of systems they're selling, I doubt you'll see it.

Don't get me wrong...I think it would be cool to play on an Indigo, but
I'm satisfied with the raytracers and other products available for the
Amiga.   Not expensive, but very powerful.

Semi-related side note:  Have you seen the prices of some of the MAC
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ray-tracers?   They're REALLY expensive....  I saw an article about them
in a recent MacSomething magazine.  They said that one of the programs
had (gasp) point editing....(be still my heart).  :-)

> Alright Amiga fans, I am prepared to get flamed.

Hey, sorry....No flames here....I'm just trying to help you understand
the Amiga a bit more.

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>the Amiga is great, mostly because it is cheap. I am

...it's also video friendly, easy to design hardware for...

>checking about the Amiga platform and find it to be a
>disturbingly hacked up machine:

Well, I have no idea what your perspective is on this, but the Amiga
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less than, say, your average PC clone.  I don't even consider this to
be a criticism as the easier it is to add something to a machine, the
better.  PC clones beat Amiga's in the variety of addon cards and
whatnot that are available for the average user...except for video,
but they are catching up there.

>        1. You buy a 68000 amiga then must imediately throw
>           away the processor and put in an "accelerator" card.

No must about it.  I used the basic Amiga for three years with few
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complaints.  Of course, some Mac friends of mine "had" to buy
graphics accelerator this, drive accelerator that, etc...but they
liked their machine before as well.

>        2. All nifty graphics are from 3rd party venders,
>           not an Amiga thing (so this is not really a selling
point).

PCs and Macs also have the better graphics products from third party
vendors.  However, the Amiga has better inherent graphics than either
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of these machines.  All can be expanded to similar levels however.

>        3. A good point: it's not DOS...
>        4. A bad point: it's not anything else (Unix, Mach...)

Not being DOS is only a good point to some and a very bad point to
others...which is why the Amiga has a thriving market in emulators
for 8088/DOS, 286/DOS, 386/DOS, Macs, C64s, etc...

The Amiga also has Unix available for it and within the year BSD Unis
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(er UniX) will be available for it as well.

>It seems that Amiga is selling an empty box and AmigaDOS, everything
>else is 3rd party stuff. Looking towards the future, I find it hard
> to pay money for such a machine when a very nice *integrated* and
>*supported* platform like an SGI Indigo exists...BUT the Indigo is:

You can buy Amigas with hard drives, accelerators, graphics cards and
Unix straight from Commodore if you like...like every other system
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>        1. Very expensive (when compared to an Amiga)
>        2. Very expensive to maintain
>        3. Very expensive to buy software for.

...it has a minute marketshare, it's very expensive compared to every
personal computer, it's overkill for most mundane tasks...

>For me, the motivation to accept what I perceive as an ugly
>machine architecture (the Amiga) is the NewTek Toaster and the
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>Lightwave software (this perception of the Amiga is probably
>little to harsh due to my lack of experience with the machine).

It's a tad harsh...<grin>...I'd say you need to really learn a lot
more about the Amiga and other computers in the area that you are
looking at however.  You don't seem to have a very complete
understanding of what's available and how it's to be used.  The
Amiga's architecture is much easier to design hardware for than a Mac
or PC...don't even mention designing hardware for the PS/2 line!
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>Similarly, I might consider a more expensive system (e.g., Indigo)
>should the NewTek Toaster/Lightwave be ported to that platform.

Even if Jeanne Dixon were to predict the porting of the Toaster, in
it's entirety, to another machine, I wouldn't believe it.  It took
years to design and it's design is closely linked to the abilities of
the Amiga's hardware design.  There is NOTHING announced for any
other system that comes anywhere close to it, and the nearest
competing devices are usually many times the cost of the toaster.
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>I don't care what you say about how fast the Lightwave is on
>an Amiga, it should be 5-20 times faster on a R3000A or R4000.

Granted, but unfortunately when you compare what really is available
outside the Amiga in 3D...it's not as fast as Lightwave and many
other Amiga packages.  I suspect this is due to code inefficiency on
faster platforms, and the code being developed somewhat generically
to make porting/recompiling on other platforms.

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>In addition, it seems to me that a 24bit  Indigo (which has
integrated
>graphics/dsp/cpu engines) would be the ideal platform for video
>production if a Toaster-like system was added at an affordable
>price...

The mistake I think all too many people make is to assume that an
"integrated" graphics system means that it's the best.  This just
ain't so!  I've NEVER seen a system that didn't have a better
graphics solution sold by a third party as an addon.
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Further, the Indigo isn't designed around video output the way the
Amiga is.  It also has a small market share and hence there will
never be a great amount of reasonably priced addons and little
pressure for innovative development of something like a Toaster.

>Alright Amiga fans, I am prepared to get flamed.

Naahhh...we're much too reasonable here.

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Ok, OK enuf with the hardware wars! Here's a question of real interest.
I've been working with what I'll call "organic movement" ie. somethng
more than just "flying logos". I have rotated individual segments of a
segmented trapazoid with a 5 frame delay and gotten a reasonable result.
But it was VERY time consuming and a real pain.
An Imagine devotee (Bob :{ ) says it would be a snap in Imagine but I'm
not convinced. We started trying to get a bunch of stars to follow a path
like the full paramount logo with stars that curve around nicely.
Couldn't do it and set our sites a little lower. The above mentioned
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> Sean Schur writes:
> > We have it hooked to a S-VHS Panasonic AG-7850 deck (Yes folks,
> > Super VHS is BETTER quality than U-Matic {but not laser disk, right Mark}).
>
> If you put a first generation S-VHS tape next to a first generation U-Matic,
> most people would probably chose the S-VHS. But most broadcast capable video
>

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3/4".  Also the multi generation thing is MAJORLY important for
animators. NO you wouldn't necessarily edit the animate, your client
would, but:
1) You back up your HD right? Well I would not want to spend all the time
recording ALL THOSE frames only to have some num nut demagnatise M MASTER
tape.
2) Even if the work is for yourself, if its an animate worth anything it
will probably NEED to be edited. How long you gonna keep doin those
infinite loop things? If you stay in Y/C for the edit and produce a Y/C
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composite and, sorry friend, "Broadcasters" are NOT using S-VHS for those
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> > On Jan 25, rutgers!mtsg.ubc.ca!Mike.G.Wilson wrote:
> > In my experience SVHS looks great in its first genereation, but lousy as
> > soon as you try and edit it through a composite device, like the TOaster.
>
> I have pretty much seen the same thing. I personally wouldn't use an S-VHS
> deck for single framing unless it was the final master I was recording to.
> Even then, this will likely be unacceptable for anything above corporate
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> with BetacamSP but will accept a first generation 3/4 SP tape. They would
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> > I've done 3/4 SP multi pass editing (using the 9000 series) through the
> > Toaster with minimal image degradation. Noticable, but livable.
>
> Since I don't do any editing, I can't comment on multi pass degredation.
> But I will say 3/4 SP is the lowest I am willing to go for commercial
> animation work.
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> > I've been using a BVU800. We have been looking into the Sony disc recorder.
> > D3 VCR and the D-2 option from NewTek would still be a cool way to archive.
>
> I am still trying to decide where I am going to place my emphasis for output
> format. The TEAC and Panasonic video discs I merely rent time on because I
> am not satisfied with their output enough to purchase one. I should mention
> that although these units do exhibit occasional white spots in a sequence,
> re-dumping to a different location ussually solves the problem, provided the
> sequence isn't too long.  However I am considering the Sony and I should be
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> the BVU-950 but I think the Sony disc will win out. However, once the D2
> option is available, I will probably be carting my system down to the
> digital suite in Boston every once in a while for the high end jobs. What is
> the projected price and release date for a D3 recorder?
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The D-3 IS out, PanaFramic made major waves at last years NAB by setting
the sale price at, like, $49K!, VERY cheap considering the D-2 from Sony,
Ampex, etc. is like $60K. Ampex just announced DCP ( I think?) Digital
Component Parallel, no pricing yet but they claim it will make the D-1
edit suite a reality for many.  Remember D-1 digital component is going
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pak are into 19mm D2, it is supposed to be much more stable than D2,
which I've heard nightmares are better than in certain situations. So,
even though we all know Beta is a superior format than VHS, try finding
T-2 on Beta on the east coast!

also, the disc recorders you use, you didn't mention wheather these were
the "new" ones 39K, or the old ones? ALSO the SONY is WORM like, not
re-recordable , Pioneer/Panasonic ARE re-writable.

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> also, the disc recorders you use, you didn't mention wheather these were
> the "new" ones 39K, or the old ones? ALSO the SONY is WORM like, not
> re-recordable , Pioneer/Panasonic ARE re-writable.

I am using the older ones, but not the oldest. They are the Teac LV-210A and
Panasonic 3031, neither of which are re-recordable. They both list for about
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What's the next better format than SVHS?

Obviously it would be great if everyone had Betacam SP, but we don't (or
at least I don't B-).  So what's an acceptable alternative that costs
less than $10,000? (hopefully much less)

Marc Rifkin
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> What's the next better format than SVHS?
>
> Obviously it would be great if everyone had Betacam SP, but we don't (or
> at least I don't B-).  So what's an acceptable alternative that costs
> less than $10,000? (hopefully much less)
>
> Marc Rifkin

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It seems to me that for the most part we would all be better off just
working and rendering to SyQuest or similar large storage devices and
then getting our transfers to tape done at studios that have the
equipment to do such things.  Granted, we all can't afford Beta SP
decks and we shouldn't have to.  That's what service bureaus are for.

It makes more sense to put your money into rendering hardware and
time into design than to have to worry about ouput to tape.  That can
be done by just about anyone these days.  I imagine there will be
more and more service based businesses that cater to the Lightwave
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Of course I'm coming from the viewpoint of being paid for my work in
which case I would include the output service in the budget for the
job.

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> An Imagine devotee (Bob :{ ) says it would be a snap in Imagine but I'm
> not convinced.
> Now it occurs to me that I can't figure out how to
> get an object to do a curl like a flap on a truck or a page turn
> transition in video.
> So, and I know you all know THE right way to do this, can anyone help
> with the flap, and /or the Paramount star thingy?

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Flaps and page curls are a bit more difficult. I would be curious to hear
how it would be a snap in Imagine. Anyway, the typical way one would achieve
such a motion would be to use object morphing. This will work rather well
and not even be too difficult to implement. The only problem is that with
page curls, you usually want an image mapped on the page. If you use
morphing, any image mapping will get screwed up as the object moves with
reference to its own axis. Therefore the motion must be created in Layout.
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I know we have as yet no archival site for this list, so I wanted to know
where might be the best site to post a whole passel of Star Trek items that I
have.  I was looking through Hubcap's .../incoming/uploads & /graphics sections
and they're just so crowded, but absent any set place I'll post them there on
Monday.  Anyone have a better suggestion as to where we should all start
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Kreegah,
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Mark Thompson <rutgers!westford.ccur.com!mark> writes:

> > An Imagine devotee (Bob :{ ) says it would be a snap in Imagine but I'm
> > not convinced.
> > Now it occurs to me that I can't figure out how to
> > get an object to do a curl like a flap on a truck or a page turn
> > transition in video.
> > So, and I know you all know THE right way to do this, can anyone help
> > with the flap, and /or the Paramount star thingy?
>
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> The stars should be fairly easy. Simply create a path for your first star
> with all the proper key points and save the motion. Then apply that saved
> motion to each succeeding star with a suitable time delay.
>
> Flaps and page curls are a bit more difficult. I would be curious to hear
> how it would be a snap in Imagine. Anyway, the typical way one would achieve

Actually, I said the stars following a path would be a snap in
Imagine and not the curls or page turns.  Hopefully Lightwave 2.0
will include viewable spline paths that can be manipulated
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would be interactive scaling and placement of image/texture maps and
viewable cone angles on light sources.  An interactive camera field
of view would also be quite nice. <grin>

Gee, I'm just full of wishes these days.  While I'm thinking of them,
I would also love to see a database of surface settings as well as a
materials viewer/picker much like the wavefront software.  You can
load up a bunch of materials and check out the way they will look
before you assign them to surfaces.  I like this idea alot more than
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A quick question, has anyone here used Autodesk's 3D Studio?  It
looks pretty nice and there is a new version due out in a couple of
weeks I believe.  Can anyone make some comparisons?

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Amiga World has just made a MAJOR screwup.  In two seperate articles in
their newest issue, they mention "Steve Worley's Imagine BBS" and even
say that "it's a good place to get 3D objects."

I DO NOT RUN A BBS! THEY (FOR SOME UNKNOWN REASON) LISTED MY **HOME**
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While I'm on the, "gee, I'm so dumb" mode, is there a way to set the
angle of the lens in LW. I have messed with the zoom but ther should be a
way to make a fisheye setting. Anyone?
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> with all the proper key points and save the motion. Then apply that saved
> motion to each succeeding star with a suitable time delay.
>
> Flaps and page curls are a bit more difficult. I would be curious to hear
> how it would be a snap in Imagine. Anyway, the typical way one would achieve
> such a motion would be to use object morphing. This will work rather well
> and not even be too difficult to implement. The only problem is that with
> page curls, you usually want an image mapped on the page. If you use
> morphing, any image mapping will get screwed up as the object moves with
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> This means multiple connected trapezoids linked hierachically (ie, it is
> a pain in the ass). If the modeler and animator were linked together
> things would be much easier. Anyone else know of a better way.
Ah, yes, Mark, well I have created the definitive motion path for the
star and saved the motion, both Bob and I have determined the delay for
cloned star objects would work, the catch is, how to you GLOBALLY add a
frame delay in LW? If I add a frame delay manually to the second star the
first keyframe is cool, but, the rest of the key frames don't "ripple"
(an editing term for adjusting all edits ahead or behind from an altered
point). So the first move is cool but the stars meet on the second
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keyframe and follow each other on top of themselves for the rest. I have
manually edited the motion path in the tet file but CHEEZE what a pain to
do 13 times, got an easier fix?

I've thought of several "cheats" to do the flap, ie. morph, 2D anim map,
etc. But, for instance, say I needed to wrap a tire tread on a tire ( a
recent article I read by someone working in 3D Studio (autodesk) He was
able to "bend" one object around another. Can this be done in LW?
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A mail based file server for 3D objects, 24bit JPEG images, GIF images
and image maps is now online for all those with Internet mail access.

The server is the official archive site for the Lightwave 3D mail-list.

Besides the above mentioned image-based files, the server contains many
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Some samples include:

DKBTRACE    - Raytracer for IBM, Amiga and Mac
RAYSHADE    - Raytracer for the Mac
QRT        - Raytracer for IBM, Amiga and Mac
FRACTINT    - Fractal program for IBM
GIFJPG        - Several versions for Amiga, IBM and Mac
WASP        - Image converter for Amiga
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PLAY        - Several Autodesk .FLI SVGA Players for IBM
GRASPRT     - Latest player for GRASP anim files (Amiga player also)
GRAPHWRK    - Latest Graphics Workshop for IBM
FLI/ANI     - Several .FLI and .ANI anims for IBM
BADGE        - Killer entries for all 3 years (Amiga)
Objects     - Objects for Imagine, Videoscape, Lightwave and others
Renderings  - JPEGed 24bit images from Mark Thompson and others
Demos        - ImageCels, Caligari, Autodesk 3D Studio and others

Plus much more!  And many more to come!
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The server resides on my BBS called "The Graphics BBS".  The BBS is
operational 24 hours a day 7 days a week at the phone number of +1
908/469-0049.  It utilizes a Hayes V-Series 9600 V.42 modem. (soon to
upgrade to a V.32 modem)

If you would like to submit objects, scenes or images to the server,
please pack, uuencode and then mail the files to the address:

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It looks like I'll be getting a 600 dpi color scanner as an early birthday
gift.  This will be really useful for gathering texture/brushmap images.  Of
course I'm open to suggestions.  I know there are some good (expensive)
commercial offerings out there.  But, a scanner and the new Art Department
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Peter Daniels                        <rutgers!mvs.oac.ucla.edu!ESRLICK> writes:

> I know we have as yet no archival site for this list, so I wanted to know
> where might be the best site to post a whole passel of Star Trek items that I
> have.  I was looking through Hubcap's .../incoming/uploads & /graphics sectio
> and they're just so crowded, but absent any set place I'll post them there on
> Monday.  Anyone have a better suggestion as to where we should all start
> posting objects & the like?
>
> Kreegah,
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[e-mail] writes:
> While I'm on the, "gee, I'm so dumb" mode, is there a way to set the
> angle of the lens in LW. I have messed with the zoom but ther should be a
> way to make a fisheye setting. Anyone?

The default setting on the camera zoom is 2.4 which is roughly equivalent
to a 55mm camera lens. By setting lower, you can get very pronounced
perspective distortion (ie. fish-eye). I have used it with values ranging
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Bob Lindabury writes:
> Hopefully 2.0 will include viewable spline paths that can be manipulated
.....other wishes....

I have voiced these requests to Allen in the past and its only a matter of
time till he gets to them.

> A quick question, has anyone here used Autodesk's 3D Studio?  It
> looks pretty nice and there is a new version due out in a couple of
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3D Studio is a wonderful product. I have watched others use it but I have
never tried it myself. About a year ago when I brought my system to
a video disc mastering facility, the animator there was drooling over
some of LightWave's features while I was drooling over some of 3D Studio's
features (which is what they used there). I will have to check out the new
version when it comes out. Almost makes me wish I had a fast, graphics
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On Feb 4, Larry Stead wrote:

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Anybody have suggestions for what TBC to buy for use with the toaster?

Of special interest are TBC's with with dual channels, and S-Video
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Well, it would seem that due to some disk space problems that some of
posts to the list were not sent out to everyone.  The following
forwarded message are those posts that I don't think made it out.

If you DID previously receive any of the following posts, please let me
know so I can figure out where the problem could have occured.


Bob Lindabury - Lightwave 3D mail-list administrator

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This may seem like a very basic question to most of you, but how can I
get the objects off of the bulletin boards that have been mentioned in
this newsgroup?  I have access to email through internet/bitnet but I
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[e-mail] writes:
> how to you GLOBALLY add a  frame delay in LW? If I add a frame delay
> manually to the second star the first keyframe is cool, but, the rest of
> the key frames don't "ripple".I have manually edited the motion path in
> the tet file but CHEEZE what a pain to do 13 times, got an easier fix?

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Control over keyframes in the current rev of LightWave is crude at best.
The method of using a text editor on the motion file is unfortunately
the best method I know of.

> But, for instance, say I needed to wrap a tire tread on a tire ( a
> recent article I read by someone working in 3D Studio (autodesk)

Yeah, I read that article. I then proceded to make my own treaded tire
but it was not as easy as it would have been in 3D Studio. I created my
tread by developing a single tread section (with DPaint and Pixel 3D) and
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the most elegant solution.

> He was able to "bend" one object around another. Can this be done in LW?

LW 2.0 includes a bend function in the modeler but not in layout. Over a year
ago I asked Allen to implement a "squish box" in layout. This is a technique
used by Pacific Data Images for animating complex object deformations.
Basically you would have a bounding box around any given object that could
be manipulated in any number of ways: twist, bend, rotate, squash, stretch,
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animated with key frames. However he didn't expect to get to such capabilities
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Marc Rifkin writes:
> What's the next better format than SVHS?

ED Beta....but try and find someone who uses it.

> Obviously it would be great if everyone had Betacam SP, but we don't (or
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> On Feb 4, Steve Erickson wrote:
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> This may seem like a very basic question to most of you, but how can I
> get the objects off of the bulletin boards that have been mentioned in
> this newsgroup?  I have access to email through internet/bitnet but I
> don't know anything about getting files through the mail from these
> sources.
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> Again, I apologize for my ignorance.
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> Steve

It's very simple.  You just send mail to a file server address with
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In the case of my server here the address you send mail to is:

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        [e-mail]

For specific information on how to obtain files from the server send
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HELP

For a directory listing put the following on the next line of the
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/DIR

The helf file and a directory listing will be mailed back to you.  If
you request binary files, they will be UUEncoded (turned from binary
into text form for transmission over the network) and then mailed to
you in parts.  Once you receive the parts you must join them together
into a single file (removing headers in many cases) and then you must
run the program UUDecode on them to turn them back into binary files.

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On Feb 07, rutgers!kean.ucs.mun.ca!cstuckless wrote:

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     I spent a couple of hours the other night working on a logo for a
client.  As a result I have a few questions I need some help with.

1) What surface attributes would you recommend for a nice gold
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specular settings would help me out. I'm trying to get a surface that
will 'shine' a lot when a light is animated across it. Any
suggestions?

2) When creating the capital 'E' in the logo I ran in to a problem
that isn't so easy to explain. Basically what happened was that I
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the bottom right hand corner an angular '/' corner instead of a right
angle corner. Understand? Well, when I cloned the point in this corner
it wasn't part of the polygon, and I ended up having to create another
triangular shape to get the look I wanted.
   To make it simple, just think of a square with four points, one in
each corner. How can I add a point to a side of this square, so that
when I move this point, the side will move appropriately?

3) When mapping a full screen 736x480 IFF24 to a canvas, how does one
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canvas, it's no problem to fit the entire image in perfectly, simply
by selecting 2.0m X, 1.0m Y, and ignoring the Z co-ord, using a planar
map in the 'Z' direction. But in the manual it states on page 48-49 of
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4) Last one. Picture this: I was trying to create, in the modeler, 16
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except that the resulting object had no polygons, only points. I tried
selecting the sphere with the 'Volume' selector and I still got only
points. I ended up having to clone the sphere and manually moving each
one in the modeler until they formed a circle. Is there an easier way
to do this? I also tried cloning with an offset, but I can't see how
you could make them form a circle this way.

Thanks for listening,

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Steve Erickson writes:
> I would recommend the Personal TBCII from DPS.

Everyone I know of that has one of these things likes it a great deal.
The Kitchen Sync is a fairly nice product also but it does not include
any method for synchronizing/locking your two channels together. Kind
of defeats its usefulness for the Toaster. Digital Creations is selling
an addon for a couple hundred $ that will allow it to synchronize but that
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> ago I asked Allen to implement a "squish box" in layout. This is a technique
> used by Pacific Data Images for animating complex object deformations.
> Basically you would have a bounding box around any given object that could
> be manipulated in any number of ways: twist, bend, rotate, squash, stretch,
> etc. These deformations would smoothly modify the object and could be
> animated with key frames. However he didn't expect to get to such capabilitie
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Squish box? Hmmm, I've been mesing around with the demo of Caligari2.0,
and also so Roman at a show a few days ago and was watching the demo
video for Caligari Broadcast 2.0 and WOW! He had some sort of banding box
which could be "lathed" (add more straps around the box) and various
sections within the lathing could be messed with. I'm running the
nuetered version of Caligari on the Impact board but Caligari2.0 reads
and writes the same file as Broadcast, so, I'm seriously thinking about
giving it a shot. The latest version of Caligari is SMOKING and the
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animation editor is MUY improved, it may beat getting another Toaster to
"off-line" animations,object creation, etc. especially being it's
supposed to read and write VS3D object and motion files. The attributes
section looks much more sophisticated and simpler to use than LW.

"What's a mother to do?" So many reasonble products out there but do they
ALL  have to be learned, and what about Naomi?

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Mark Thompson writes:
>Everyone I know of that has one of these things likes it a great deal.
>The Kitchen Sync is a fairly nice product also but it does not include
>any method for synchronizing/locking your two channels together. Kind
>of defeats its usefulness for the Toaster. Digital Creations is selling
>an addon for a couple hundred $ that will allow it to synchronize but that
>brings the final cost up significantly over the price of two TBC IIs.

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Sync will clean up two incoming asynchornous video sources, but that they
can't be locked togther, say by using house sync?  If that's true, then
Digital Creations should make that clear in their product flyer, because in
the flyer that I saw, all it said was that it was perfect for use with the
Toaster, but nowhere did it mention that you couldn't sync the resultant
video to external sync.  I hope you're wrong :-) about this, because I am
strongly considering a Kitchen Sync for my A/B roll setup, but if I have to
spend several hundred more dollars to be able to sync to house sync, then
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[e-mail] (Dak Productions) writes:

>> ago I asked Allen to implement a "squish box" in layout. This is a technique
>> used by Pacific Data Images for animating complex object deformations.
>>[deleted]
>> animated with key frames. However he didn't expect to get to such capabilitie
>> until spline surfaces were supported, ie. LW 3.0.

>Squish box? Hmmm, I've been mesing around with the demo of Caligari2.0,
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Caligari-B2.0 supports both parallel and cylindrical deformation lattices
which work in realtime on a full wireframe representation of your object.
(you see your object distorting). The "straps" you refer to are called
floors and they can be added or removed on the x,y,z axis of the lattice
in realtime (just by moving the mouse). You can select any nb# of floors
or intersections of floors and the transform the object. What this allows
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you to do is work on the full or part of the objects polygon mesh without
ever having to directly touch a point. In short, it dynamite! In addition
to just distorting the mesh, caligari allows you several choices of
smoothing (this allways gives you nice curved surfaces, no matter how
the object is distorted). Finally , Caligari, will auto subdivide any
surface that lacks enough polygons to smooth.
As far as animation goes, yes there have been some significant improvements
in functionality but the real improvements are just beginning. With this
version of caligari-B just about to be released, a yet newer version of
caligari2 and caligari-B2 has just gone to beta. This version will address
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animation in full and brings very powerful animaton capabilities.
The attribute-rendering area of Caligari2 and Cal-B *is* great with a wide
selection of surfaces and shaders along with great texture mapping. Texture
(like every other function in Calig) are applied effortlessly to the
object, world or "screen" coordinate systems. Texture in caligari can
also follow a shape (like a snake). Texture maps in Calig are modified and
stored at different resolutions (mip mapping) and no matter how close the
object, the map is always interpolated and never pixelized.
And finally, the framebuffer and previewing support in Caligari is truly
fantastic. Almost all amiga buffers are supported from DCTV thu firecracker24
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thru Harliquin and all those in between. The support for each buffer is
identical in that it allows you to render at different sizes, modes,
even different objects/materials independently from within your scene
and caligari keeps all the different renderings on the screen for comparison.
You can even have a couple of flat texture maps (providing they are small)
and the rendered objects on screen at the sametime.
Caliagri (both caligari2 and Broadcast2) load VS,LW, and sculpt and save
in LWave, VS format. In my opinion, C2 ($399) makes a great modeller for
LW and for those who can afford it, Caligari-B2 ($1995. ,,yes the price
has come down) with it's deformation lattices makes shape interpolation
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(morphing) in Lightwave effortless and truly wild.
And for those who have an 040 (I have an RCS040 and it is, particularily
with it's newest software , absolutly powerful and flawless) you'll
kiss transforming bounding boxes goodbye.
I'll be giving a full concise report on Cal-Broadcast2 as soon as it's
released.
(ah yes, for those who are in the montreal area , I'll be giving a demo
of Cal-Broadcast2 on RCS Fusion040 ,A2000, with a firecracker24 board
this coming Feb12, 7:30, 6th floor auditorium, Polytechnique (UofM),
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Michael.Bender writes:
> Mark Thompson writes:
> >The Kitchen Sync does not include any method for synchronizing/locking your
> >two channels together.
> you mean that the Kitchen
> Sync will clean up two incoming asynchornous video sources, but that they
> can't be locked togther, say by using house sync?

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> If that's true, then Digital Creations should make that clear in their
> product flyer.

A friend of mine purchased one and was not the least bit happy to discover
this. He felt he was deceived by the product ads (as you mentioned) and
wrote a letter to Digital Creations to complain. They offered to send
him the add-on at their cost. Personally, I think Digital Creations has
little regard for deceptive advertising. Between this product and all
the 24bit hype they spew about DCTV, it seems they enjoy the profit garnered
by such deception. Their ads don't lie, but they say a great deal that I
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     I spent a couple of hours the other night working on a logo for a
client.  As a result I have a few questions I need some help with.

1) What surface attributes would you recommend for a nice gold
texture? The best I came up with was: Surface color 182 113 6
                                      Diffuse 100%
                                      Specular 0%
But this looks a little 'dull'. I suspect that proper use of the
specular settings would help me out. I'm trying to get a surface that
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2) When mapping a full screen 736x480 IFF24 to a canvas, how does one
judge what size the map should be? When I use a 2m wide by 1m tall
canvas, it's no problem to fit the entire image in perfectly, simply
by selecting 2.0m X, 1.0m Y, and ignoring the Z co-ord, using a planar
map in the 'Z' direction. But in a tutorial it states on page 48-49 of
the 1.0 manual, "Because this canvas is 2m by 2m, you must set the
Texture size to be X = 2, Y = 1.5, and Z = 1." Where's the logic in
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Daniel P. Vunck dropped me a line and wrote:
> > Their ads don't lie, but they say a great deal that I would frown
> >upon.
> I would challenge the last part. I am extremely suspicious
> of all of their advertising.
> The DCTV ads in particular did claim features the product did not
> have.  They claimed 24bit image capture and display and that you
> could work in _FULL_ NTSC color.  None of these claims are true for
> this device.  It's a GREAT device, but it's not what the ads claimed.

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I concur entirely. I guess what I meant to say was that the way their ads
are worded, you might have a tough time proving false advertising, even
though it is clear to you and me that it is.

A clarification on my previous post. The Kitchen Sync CAN synchronize two
vcrs for use with the Toaster. What it cannot do is utilize a house sync
signal as the sync source. This is where their "genlock option" comes in.
It is a $190 add-on to allow what I would call a standard feature on any
dual channel TBC. I hope this clears things up. I wish the recent Amiga
World review would have pointed out this deception.
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> 1) What surface attributes would you recommend for a nice gold
> texture? The best I came up with was: Surface color 182 113 6
>                       Diffuse 100%
>                       Specular 0%

For any metallic surface, you want some level of specular to create lighting
highlights. 80% for a shiny gold surface should work. If it is not a white
metal (such as gold, copper, bronze, etc.), select color highlights. Finally,
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> 2) just think of a square with four points, one in
> each corner. How can I add a point to a side of this square, so that
> when I move this point, the side will move appropriately?

Version 1.0 of the Modeler cannot insert points into a polygon. I do believe
that the 2.0 Modeler allows this however.

> 3) When I use a 2m wide by 1m tall canvas, it's no problem to fit the
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> entire image in perfectly, simply by selecting 2.0m X, 1.0m Y, and ignoring
> the Z co-ord, using a planar map in the 'Z' direction. But in the manual...

Sounds like the manual is wrong (guess I didn't read it carefully enough
during beta test....oops). The size should match the object. Note that 2.0
includes texture auto sizing.

> 4) I was trying to create, in the modeler, 16
> spheres forming a circle with none of them touching. Is there an easier way
> to do this?
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First off, is there any reason you chose not to use the sphere primitive?
Lathing one is really unnecessary. Once you create your sphere, move it
along the X axis until it is far enough away from the origin to allow
that 16 in a circle about the origin would not touch. You can either
calculate this amount or eye-ball it. Then simply use clone with 15 copies
and a Z axis rotation of 22.5 degrees (360/16). If when you clone them, the
spheres are touching or are too far apart, hit undo and try again with a
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> 4) I was trying to create, in the modeler, 16
> spheres forming a circle with none of them touching. Is there an easier way
> to do this?

Mark Thompson writes:
>>along the X axis until it is far enough away from the origin to allow
>>that 16 in a circle about the origin would not touch. You can either
>>calculate this amount or eye-ball it. Then simply use clone with 15 copies
>>and a Z axis rotation of 22.5 degrees (360/16). If when you clone them, the
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Thanks for your help Mark, I was beginning to think my message wasn't
sent out to everyone. Everyone can ignore my partial re-post, since
I've now been provided with the answers.

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I recently purchased an EPSON 300C scanner for my college Amiga (the one I
use all the time...), and posted a message to the Imagine and LightWave
mailing lists about ideas for good scans.

Several people took the time to E-mail me about certain photograph books
that are now considered public domain, and would make good objects for
scanning.  I am interested in:
   1.  Natural Forms
          Clouds, Landscapes, Plants, Animal Skins, Women :-), Organic Blob-
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   2.  Images that would be suitable for texture mapping on Imagine or
       Lightwave 3-D objects.
          These can be any of the above, plus stones, bricks, etc. etc. etc.

If you have titles and publishers for some of these photo books, I can
inter-library loan them and have them scanned RSN.  Someone may want to
set up some space on an FTP site (I might get about 10-14 Mb locally, though
that isn't much unless I JPEG compress everything...).

Which reminds me... what image format should I use?  IFF24 (large?), JPEG
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And what about image size?  Should I use 4x3, Amiga's rectangle pixels,
square images?  What about resolution?  x <? 736x482 <? x ?

Just so I don't get a rash of E-mail messages asking these questions:
   1.  The scanner is an Epson 300C, plus the Art Department driver.
   2.  It scans in 600dpi, and in color, gray scale, or B&W.
   3.  I am using a 14Mb Amiga 3000.
   4.  I have not had time to use it, so I don't know how well it works, :(
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I can also do scans for people privately.  E-Mail me for details.

AD(Thanks!)VANCE

Stratocaster

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Maybe the mail has just been slow for the past couple of days, but I'm
surprised to see that no one has mentioned that Lightwave 2.0 has shipped!
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> Which reminds me... what image format should I use?  IFF24 (large?), JPEG
> (small but needs conversion), Amiga NATIVE (Few colors...), Something ELSE?
> And what about image size?  Should I use 4x3, Amiga's rectangle pixels,
> square images?  What about resolution?  x <? 736x482 <? x ?

I suggest the JPEG format.  With JPEG you can have alot of images and
you will not eat up that much storage space.  I currently store all
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difficult to convert them if you plan on using them.   Also, I am
building an archive here at graphics.rent.com of brushmaps that are
available to all via the mail based file-server here.  I plan on
getting the 2 or 3 books that have already been scanned on the system
in the next few days.  If you would like to submit your scans (JPEGed
only please) you can send them to [e-mail] and I will
include them in the archives here.

I am also in the process of converting some of the ImageCels demo
brushmaps to JPEG for inclusion in the server.  There are a few
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>
> Stratocaster
>

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Yes, Lightwave 2.0 has shipped.  The first shipments are to the people
that already paid for 2.0 (Paid 2495 vs. 1595 for their toaster).  NewTek
said they would be shipping to dealers (at least to my dealer on Tuesday,
the eighteenth.  It seems real this time because the first people started
getting their update this week.

You may want to prepare by cleaning your hard drive.  It takes over 30MB
of space for the new software, and it takes 40MB to do the install.  The
software comes on 15 diskettes that contain compressed files.  The extra
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This is all I know.

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If anyone is heading to AmiExpo in Long Beach this weekend from elsewhere in
the country, you should be aware that we are currently undergoing the most
severe rainstorms in Los Angeles in at least the six years I have been here.
Major sections of the San Fernando valley -- north maybe 30 miles of Long
Beach, more or less -- have been flooded, highways have been closed due to
mudslides, flashflood warnings are in effect in different areas around the LA
basin, and traffic, more than usual, is a mess.  I don't want to unduly alarm
anyone, this isn't armageddon & mostly things are normal but damn wet, but if
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BRING AN UMBRELLA!  Current forescasts show the storms going on until at least
Sunday, although that doesn't mean much -- none of the stations here were
accurately forecasting the severity of the storm.  BRING AN OVERCOAT!  Try to
avoid driving as much as possible.  While nothing specific about Long Beach has
been mentioned in the news, traffic in and out of that area is crappy at best.
Lastly, 100 miles of beaches have been closed, although I'm not sure where --
we have about the worst sewage system in the country out here.  Forget the
sundappled sands this trip, too...

Sorry I couldn't be bringing a ray of sunshine into your lives, but I hope this
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pricetag.

Best of luck!

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>Maybe the mail has just been slow for the past couple of days, but I'm
>surprised to see that no one has mentioned that Lightwave 2.0 has shipped!
>People on CompuServe have already started receiving their packages.

I received my 2.0 upgrade this Tuesday(2/11). At last a manual that doesn't
refer to missing figures or tables!

There is a twenty-some page addendum for the manual, with the last few pages
acting as an addendum to the addendum?  It also states that the 2.0 software
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I've heard from some people a few weeks ago that they'd rather have NewTek
drop the price of the upgrade by $20 instead of including a "free" T-shirt.

If you would like to get that $20 back, I have three people (including myself)
that would like to buy your Toaster T-shirt! The first 3 people that respond
to my message will be the ones we choose, so act fast!

We will even pay for shipping! (WOW! How bout that!)

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(P.S. NewTek DID include the shirt in the upgrade, didn't they? :-)

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Hi everyone,

Since no mailing list exists for Toaster folks yet, I thought someone here
could help me.  Recently a friend of mine purchased a Toaster system and is
now looking around for a TBC (or two) to put into his Amiga.  Now, when I
was talking to him sted that he consider the Personal TBC II.  However
the guy at the store where he bought the Toaster also mentioned that if he
wanted to buy two TBCs without filling up a computer slot, he could purchase
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the Toaster inputs outside of the computer).

My friend is wondering: how good is the quality of the TBC II?  Is it
better than those external TBCs (which I hear cost much much more) - still
price isn't as important to him (he wants quality) as it is to me (hell,
I'm still saving up to buy a Toaster :>).... advice, anyone?

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> Daniel P. Vunck dropped me a line and wrote:
> > > Their ads don't lie, but they say a great deal that I would frown
> > >upon.
> > I would challenge the last part. I am extremely suspicious
> > of all of their advertising.
> > The DCTV ads in particular did claim features the product did not
> > have.  They claimed 24bit image capture and display and that you
> > could work in _FULL_ NTSC color.  None of these claims are true for
> > this device.  It's a GREAT device, but it's not what the ads claimed.
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> I concur entirely. I guess what I meant to say was that the way their ads
> are worded, you might have a tough time proving false advertising, even
> though it is clear to you and me that it is.
>
> A clarification on my previous post. The Kitchen Sync CAN synchronize two
> vcrs for use with the Toaster. What it cannot do is utilize a house sync
> signal as the sync source. This is where their "genlock option" comes in.
> It is a $190 add-on to allow what I would call a standard feature on any
> dual channel TBC. I hope this clears things up. I wish the recent Amiga
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> World review would have pointed out this deception.
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I sent the above message to Greg Bahlhorn who is a co-sysop of the Summit BBS
[phone].  Here is his reply:

Message #226 - DCTV  (Received)
   Date: 02-12-92 22:37
   From: Greg Bahlhorn
     To: Robert Moskovitz
Subject: part 2
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Please inform this person that our ads for DCTV did not claim 24bit capture!!!
Inform him that we stated that we can load and save 24bit, We can even create
24bit in DCTV Paint.  But as I have said to many customers, "DCTV digitizes in
full color NTSC, it is not 24bit as 24bit is an RGB term!  If you want tell
Mark Thompson to call me at DIGITAL CREATIONS or foward this message to him, I
wish people would read ads more carfully.  If he wants I will read the AD to
him!  Now for the message about The Kitchen Sync,  the genlock option is what
is needed to sync to an external sync.  We were trying to bring the cost of
The Kitchen Sync down so that smaller studios that were not using a house sync
did not have to pay for it!  Again please foward this along.
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Digital Creations
Customer Support

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GB>>> The DCTV ads in particular did claim features the product d
GB>>> have.  They claimed 24bit image capture and display and tha
GB>>> could work in _FULL_ NTSC color.  None of these claims are
GB>>> this device.  It's a GREAT device, but it's not what the ad

GB>> I concur entirely. I guess what I meant to say was that the
GB>> are worded, you might have a tough time proving false advert
GB>> though it is clear to you and me that it is.

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GB>Message #226 - DCTV  (Received)
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GB>   From: Greg Bahlhorn
GB>     To: Robert Moskovitz
GB>Subject: part 2
GB>Replies: #221 <--> #236
GB>
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GB>24bit in DCTV Paint.  But as I have said to many customers, "D
GB>full color NTSC, it is not 24bit as 24bit is an RGB term!  If
GB>Mark Thompson to call me at DIGITAL CREATIONS or foward this m
GB>wish people would read ads more carfully.  If he wants I will
GB>him!  Now for the message about The Kitchen Sync,  the genlock
GB>is needed to sync to an external sync.  We were trying to brin
GB>The Kitchen Sync down so that smaller studios that were not us
GB>did not have to pay for it!  Again please foward this along.
GB>
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In turn, I suggest Greg Bahlhorm read his own company's ads and stop
trying to impune the reputation of other people to protect his
company's product.  I quote the ENTIRE original ads for DCTV that ran
for nearly two years and were only JUST recently replaced.

"All Photographs are of actual DCTV screens
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  Amiga*

 Capture a video frame in 10 seconds from any color video camera.
  (Also works with still video cameras, video disk and still frame
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 Display and capture full color 24 bit high resolution images.  *****

 Convert DCTV image to or from any IFF display format (including HAM
  and 24 bit).

 Pait, digitize and conversion software are all included.

 Works with all popular 3D programs.
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 Animate in full NTSC color.  *****

 $495

*min 1 meg required

 DCTV (Digital Composite Television) is a revolutionary new video
display and digitizing system for the Amiga. Using the Amiga's chip
memory as its frame buffer memory, DCTV creates a full color NTSC
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display with all the color and resolution of television (*****).
Sophisticated true color video paint, digitizing and image processing
software are all combined into one easy to suse package included with
DCTV.  DCTV also works with all popular 3D programs to create full
color animations that can be played back in real time.

***** These five stars indicate the major areas where Digital
Creations is flat out misrepresenting this product as something it is
note.  As you see, they DID claim 24 bit display and capture.  They
also claimed full NTSC when DCTV only hits 1/2 the signal and
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colorspace of full NTSC according to independent sources and my own
personal tests.  You can be much pickier about this as well.  They
claim the full resolution of television...not true.  They compromise
a great deal and only hit the resolution of VHS tape, although the
vertical resolution can be much lower in some cases. At the time of
these ads, they could not load images from many 3D rendering
packages, such as Calagari which did not support IFF24 at that time.

Digital's current ads no longer claim 24 bit display or capture and
minimize references to "full NTSC color"...they do, however,
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introduce new references to "true color" which is an industry
standard term for 24 bit color.  I think the changed language of the
new ads reflects their knowledge of the misrepresentation of the
earlier ads.

I believe it was mentioned in this mailing list that even the "Actual
Photographs of DCTV screens" were, in fact, photographs produced by
dumping a 24 bit copy of the RAW buffers to a film recorder.  Images
unlike that of the real display.  I  can't attest to that, however
the images in the current ad are noticably blurrier.  Compare the
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frogs yourself for a 1 to 1 comparision.

I can't make specific comments on leaving the "house sync" option off
of the Kitchen Sync, other than to say that of the four video toaster
users I know, NONE of them would want the Kitchen Sync without that
option.  It was referred to as being a necessity, not an option.
Also, it was pointed out that they were unfamilar with any other dual
TBCs that lacked this.  (further, all of them decided to purchase
another TBC based on Digital's method of marketing...they now lack
confidence in Digital because of this issue.)
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I'm not impuning Kitchen Sync's abilities, nor will I willingly
surrender my DCTV.  I love my DCTV, but I'm angrier than ever at a
company who is willing to insult their customers rather than admit
the truth.  Apparently truthfulness is an alien concept to them.

Flame off!

DPV

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>
> would someone please post this?  thanks,
>
> elmer beachley [e-mail]

The address to post articles to for the Imagine list is:

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Can someone send me the actual binary files for the uudecode program in
unpacked (ready to use) format?  I am new to this mail server thing and
I am caught in a chicken and the egg problem.  I can't get the files
without these utilities and I can't get the utilities onto my PC without
using them to do it.  If I am missing something, please enlighten me.

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On Feb 18, Karl Frederick wrote:

[-------------------- text of forwarded message follows --------------------]

    Joining the Amiga computer group two years ago opened new markets
for me.  September 1991, I closed a deal with Oregon State University Athletic
Video Department to purchase an Amiga Video Toaster system with a GVP 33Mhz
accelerator, 9M ram, 160M hard drive and DPS personal TBC for $6400.
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One of the boldest career moves for a college student has turned out to
be the "next best thing since fire," my supervisor says.
    Please add my address to the Lightwave mailing list. As a Broadcast
Media Communications Engineer, your list will prove to be a competitive
edge to those competing owners/users/jobseekers in the Amiga Video Development
market.

    Please mail to:

    [e-mail]
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    My most sincere thanks in advance.
    Karl Frederick


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> Can someone send me the actual binary files for the uudecode program in
> unpacked (ready to use) format?  I am new to this mail server thing and
> I am caught in a chicken and the egg problem.  I can't get the files
> without these utilities and I can't get the utilities onto my PC without
> using them to do it.  If I am missing something, please enlighten me.
>
> Steve
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> Still learning.....
>

Hmm...it seems to me that the only ways to obtain the UUDECODE
binaries is to either dial up my system or another via a modem and
download the binary or to have someone mail you the binary on a disk.

There is no way I know of to send the binaries through email without
first encoding them to text files.

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Simplest method would be to dial up "The Graphics BBS" directly and
download the /public/amiga/utils/uudecode.lzh file.

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The only way I know of to get the actual uuencode/decode
program to you is either you calling a bbs or giving you the
source via mail and you compiling them on your pc.

-Lou


    Can someone send me the actual binary files for the uudecode program in
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> Pardon me for being even more clueless, but I don't know what uuencode
> etc. is even for. I've heard them mentioned, but have not found a
> thourough explanation. Could someone enlighten me?
>
> <-SJK->
>

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around.  UUEncode encodes a binary file into ASCII characters for
transmission via mail/news transports.  Once a person receives an
encoded file, they must use the companion UUDecode program to decode
the ASCII text back into a binary file for use on their system.

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I have an associate who as a BCD controller who would like to control
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Does anyone else on the list have a BCD? What commands does he have to issue
in Lightwave?

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    Has anyone noticed that with the Modeler release with Toaster
    System 2.0 (I'm using the floating point version), that when
    you 'cut' a selected polygon that not only does the polygon
    get cut, but also the POINTS! (the exception being if the
    points are also used by another non-selected polygon... then they
    will be left there....).

    Is this known by NewTek?  is a fix available?

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    The only workaround I could thing of is to select the points in
    point mode, cut and paste them to another layer, go back
    and select the polygon, cut it, then get the points back and paste
    them where the were originally....  (actually, in most cases, it
    would probably be fine to select the points, cut and then
    immediately paste them again...)

    Notes on Toaster System 2.0:
    It now works fine with Workbench 2.0 (2.04 on my system) and
    works correctly on my A3000 (my ECS Denise is still out, but I
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    will replace it soon and give that a shot...)
    NOTE: The installation of Toaster 2.0 REQUIRES 40MB if FREE disk
    space!  If you are waiting for 2.0, you might as well prepare
    the room it needs now before it comes.  The installation went smooth
    for me... I just used a new SyQuest cartridge...  But when it is
    done un-packing itself, it takes up only about 30 megs...  Most of
    it seems to be all the new Switcher effects and all the new
    CG fonts...  I'll probably remove most all of that stuff.

    BTW. The T-Shirt is way cool....
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>     Has anyone noticed that with the Modeler release with Toaster
>     System 2.0 that when you 'cut' a selected polygon that not only does
>    the polygon    get cut, but also the POINTS!

Yup, I spoke to NewTek about this. I am not sure if this was intended
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definately an undesireable "feature". Tech support was unaware of the problem
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Sony's new Hi8 decks claim single frame accuracy and are controllable through
an RS-422 serial port. I believe the model number is the EVO-9650 (it's
mentioned in the latest .info). Can this unit be used to do single frame
recording? Will it work with Nucleus's PSFC?

Regards,
Colin.
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    Rumor has it that LW and/or Modeler have been 'cracked' and
    can be made to be run stand-alone.....  Can someone point
    me in the right direction to accomplish this?  I have
    3 Amiga's (2 of them are A1000's), and I would like to
    put the A1000's to use modeling and setting surface attributes,
    and creating motion keys....

    Thanks   -Mike-

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>Sony's new Hi8 decks claim single frame accuracy and are controllable through
>an RS-422 serial port. I believe the model number is the EVO-9650 (it's
>mentioned in the latest .info). Can this unit be used to do single frame
>recording? Will it work with Nucleus's PSFC?
>
>Regards,
>Colin.
>FutureVision Ltd.

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     Sony is pushing the deck as a computer controlled deck geared mainly for
animators, so I'm sure the single frame recording is possible.  As far as PSFC
goes, I thought it was capable of talking to any deck that had an RS422 port (as
per a review in .info?).

Curt Combar
Digital Equipment Corp.

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Mike Powell <rutgers!hpmwmat.sr.hp.com!mikep> writes:

>
>     Rumor has it that LW and/or Modeler have been 'cracked' and
>     can be made to be run stand-alone.....  Can someone point
>     me in the right direction to accomplish this?  I have
>     3 Amiga's (2 of them are A1000's), and I would like to
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>     Thanks   -Mike-

There is an older stand-alone version of Lightwave and Modeler
floating around.  They are early 2.0 beta's as far as I know.  The
version on this software is 1.05.  These versions of Lightwave and
Modeler are not legal copies of the software and should not be
distributed.  Currently the only stand alone version authorized by
use is the one that Commodore themselves has.  There shouldn't be
anyone else with a stand alone version as it is software piracy to
have and use such versions of Lightwave and Modeler.
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However, it sure would be nice to have stand alone versions!
Currently there are absolutely no plans on creating stand alone
versions.  It seems that the 2.0 software actually has alot of calls
directly to the Toaster that will make the "cracking" of 2.0 a very
difficult if not impossible pastime.

If you want to run additional versions of Lightwave and Modeler, then
you really only have one choice, to purchase another Toaster.

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The only other choice would be to forget Lightwave and the Toaster
and go with Caligari.  It seems that you could purchase a good 24-bit
board, Caligari Broadcast and a couple versions of the cheaper
Caligari 2.0 and do everything you do in Broadcast.  You would only
have to output your final renderings via Broadcast due to some of
it's advances over the low-cost consumer package.   The advantage
here is that you CAN have stand alone versions of Caligari for around
$350.00 mail-order and the total package would come in under the cost
of double or triple Toasters and Lightwave.

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However, I don't know if this would be a path those of you with
Toasters would want to persue. <grin>

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>Sony's new Hi8 decks claim single frame accuracy and are controllable through
>an RS-422 serial port. I believe the model number is the EVO-9650 (it's
>mentioned in the latest .info). Can this unit be used to do single frame
>recording? Will it work with Nucleus's PSFC?
>
>Regards,
>Colin.
>FutureVision Ltd.

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Curt Combar
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This post marks the 151st post to the Lightwave 3D mailing list since
its inception on January 5th, 1992.

Since that time we have added about 130 members and the current
membership is at 126 with the most recent addition of Allen Hastings.

The following is the current members file for the list in the order
they signed up:

lightwave@graphics (Graphics Lightwave Mail-list)
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[e-mail] (Pedro Faria Lopes)
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rutgers!cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu!3423YKN (Dan Bracken)
rutgers!shearson.com!wbrand (Willy Brandsdorfer)
[e-mail] (Karl Pyatt)
rutgers!psuvm.psu.edu!R38 (Marc Rifkin)
rutgers!asuacad.bitnet!AUBRI (Brian C. Berg)
rutgers!ucs.indiana.edu!JRKRAUSE (Jim Krause)
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[e-mail] (Randy Swan)
[e-mail] (Eric Haines)
rutgers!cdf.toronto.edu!g1tomyee (Yee Tom)
[e-mail] (Brian Reynolds)
[e-mail] (Eric Keisler)
rutgers!tramp.colorado.edu!hurtt (HURTT CHRISTOPHER MICHAEL)
[e-mail] (Uwe Voigt)
[e-mail] (George Browning)
[e-mail] (Mark Thompson)
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[e-mail] (Colin Stuckless)
[e-mail] (Portal Lightwave Mail-List)
[e-mail] (Jose Luis Ochoa)
[e-mail] (Action Jackson)
[e-mail] (Scott Busse)
[e-mail] (Peter Daniels)
[e-mail] (Michael Bender)
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[e-mail] (Bob Lindabury, SysAdm) writes:

>Mike Powell <rutgers!hpmwmat.sr.hp.com!mikep> writes:


>The only other choice would be to forget Lightwave and the Toaster
>and go with Caligari.  It seems that you could purchase a good 24-bit
>board, Caligari Broadcast and a couple versions of the cheaper
>Caligari 2.0 and do everything you do in Broadcast.  You would only
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>it's advances over the low-cost consumer package.   The advantage
>here is that you CAN have stand alone versions of Caligari for around
>$350.00 mail-order and the total package would come in under the cost
>of double or triple Toasters and Lightwave.

>However, I don't know if this would be a path those of you with
>Toasters would want to persue. <grin>

>-- Bob

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Both C2 (consumer) and Broadcast can save and load in LW format (this
may be an interesting consideration for LW owners). The primary differences
between C2 and Broadcast are that the B version has deformation lattices in
the modeller , framebuffer support for most amiga framebuffers, BCD/VLan
direct driver support. Another alternative to (1) Broadcast and one or
more C2 versions is using a site licence for the Broadcast version. This
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5th (and more): 80% off

I might also mention that the most recent (unreleased) version of B is
between 1.5 and 3x faster when rendering without shadows. The more
polygons, the faster (they're cutting off the back faces). I imagine
that when B is released (soon) that this feature will find it's way
into C2 quick enough. This feature also has the advantage of lowering
the memory requirements significantly. I repeat though, this is only
without shadows and the reason should be obvious. If you want an
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polys, *max* anti-aliased, no shadows, several different shaders
and evironment maps, full screen 1024x482 (FC24) with the RCS040 in
about 5.5 minutes. I begin to see the image after 1.5 minutes. Btw,
there are 3 different lights. If the anti-aliasing is lowered to "full"
which is certainly good enough for video, the frame is finished in 4minutes.
Quarter screen representative spheres are fully rendered in 10/15 sec
(low anti-aliased) or 25-30 sec (max antialiased). Rendering can be
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Question :  Can I have lightwave use a sequence of images without loading the
images to memory? What I want to do is use previously rendered full size
iff24 images as animated image maps in a subsequent rendering. When I try to do
this lightwave tries to load all the sequence into memory and naturally it
fails due to the fact that I do not have enough memory to hold 30, 60 or 120+
330,000 kb images. It would seem that lightwave should be able to read one
image at a time before it begins its next rendering...

I think this probably can be handled with arexx but I think it would make a
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I am using the Tcl programming language to write programs that produce
motion files for Lightwave.  It's going pretty well.

I'm having trouble saving single frames to disk from within Lightwave.
If I move to the switcher and save from there, it only offers me one
or four fields, and either way it doesn't look as good afterwards.

I've had a couple of lockups in the switcher.  Also sometimes it doesn't
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> Is there a way to get from the switcher back to AmigaDOS?
>

 From the switcher just hit Ctrl twice then Alt twice, from LW or Tpaint
alt N or M, older versions of the Toaster and or if you don't setup the
startup of your Toaster properly, you will not be able to access these
functions 2.0 defintely supports both!   DAK

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> Question :  Can I have lightwave use a sequence of images without loading the
> images to memory?

I use image sequences a great deal and I can assure you that LightWave does
not load the entire sequence into memory. Select 'Image Sequence' and specify
the filename prefix (without the 3 digit number) and everything will be set.
In fact, nothing will be loaded until the first frame in the sequence matches
the current frame number in the scene (assuming there is no sequence offset).
Example: scene with frames ranging from 1 to 120. Image sequence with files
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frame 50 to 105, the corresponding image will be loaded and used. From frame
106 to 120, no frames will be loaded and the last loaded image will be used
(image xxxx105 in this case) provided looping has not been enabled.

> What I want to do is use previously rendered full size
> iff24 images as animated image maps in a subsequent rendering.

This is exactly how I overlayed LightWave graphics on top of 24bit Scenery
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    Question: What part of the Toaster controls the single frame
capability? Would that change if controlled from AmiLink? I am considering
purchasing a Toaster simply for the purpose of single frame recording and
I would like to be able to directly load in IFF24 files, not framestores.
Although I could write an AREXX script to have ToasterPaint convert them
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    Oh, part of the above is not quite true...I would be buying the
Toaster to start learning Lightwave....Imagine can't do everything...sigh.

    One more question....Why doesn't someone release a descent paint
package for hte Toaster? Is it because Newtek won't release programming
inforation, or the rendering to the framebuffer is just incredibly slow?

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Can anyone advise me on how to get a program to decode binary files to
a useable amiga format. I have access to ethernet with my amiga 2500.
I'd also like to know of any servers that are stocked with amiga stuff.


Getting started with networks.

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Finally!

I hope those of you with access to USENET jump right on this new group!

Stratocaster

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Karl Lehenbauer recently wrote

> I am using the Tcl programming language to write programs that produce
> motion files for Lightwave.  It's going pretty well.
>

This cries out for elaboration.  (Yes, I know that Tcl is "tool
command language.")  Can you share with us some details about what
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I have a few questions about the setting of surface attributes in Toaster 2.0.
But before I do, I would like to make a few general remarks about this Mailing
list.  First, I would like to thank everyone who has been posting to the list,
because all of the information has been helpful in one way or another.  Second,
 I notice a major difference in the level of discussions on this list, and
those that are on the Imagine Mailing list.  I'm not sure if it is due to the
sheer number of Imagine owners over Toaster owners,but there is a lot more
action happening on the Imagine list. :-(
One thing that I would like to see on this list is a helpful Hint section,  If
someone out there comes up with a Nice texture/surface setting, Please Post it.
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  It would help out those of us that are just starting to get this complex
world of texture mapping/surface attributes down to level where we can start
getting some photorealistic images.
  I am new to the computer graphics world and All HELP IS APPRECIATED.

   Now to my questions,  can anyone suggest a good attribute setting that would
 produce a realistic looking  :   Glass Table Top ?
                                  Marble Surface  ?
                                  Ocean Waves     ?
                                  Snow Covered Ground?
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Jason Linhart   [e-mail]
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You asked for a good attribute setting for, among other things, a
marble surface.  The 2.0 tutorials claim that this is one of the
most common questions, and their answer is to use an image map
rather than the `marble' surface.  There's an image provided
with 2.0, and of course there are companies that sell them, or
you could take a camera and make your own.

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>     Question: What part of the Toaster controls the single frame
> capability?

The Record menu of LightWave.

> Would that change if controlled from AmiLink?

Depends on what you are trying to do.

> I am considering
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> purchasing a Toaster simply for the purpose of single frame recording and
> I would like to be able to directly load in IFF24 files, not framestores.
> Although I could write an AREXX script to have ToasterPaint convert them
> overnight, I would rather not have to go through that step.

No matter what, an intermediate step is necessary to single frame IFF24
images simply because they are not in the format that the Toaster framestore
uses. The Arexx method is by far the most effort on your part. What you
can do instead is load your IFF24 images as an image sequence in LightWave
and then use the sequence as a background (or foreground). You now have two
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options: record each image as they are rendered into the framestore or
save the sequence of frames to disk and play back the sequence for recording
later. If you use a video disc recorder, the first method is fine. But
the second method is better for tape so as to reduce machine wear and tear.

> Why doesn't someone release a descent paint
> package for hte Toaster? Is it because Newtek won't release programming
> inforation?

As far as I know, this is the case. That is why you do not see direct
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Hello to EveryOne,

  The question that I have this time is about Light Source Percentage Settings.

  Does anyone have a good rule of thumb to go buy when setting multiple light
source percentage values?    For :  Daytime Scenes    (Indoor/Outdoor)
                                    Nightime Scenes   (Indoor/Outdoor)
                                    CandleLight Scenes
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 Also, are there any direct conversions between, say a 75Watt bulb and a
lightsource setting?

Thanks in Advance........

Jason Linhart  [e-mail]
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Thanks
John

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    Mark,


    Thanks for the info. I will probably use the record as it renders. I
am going to M2, not laserdisc. However, the machines that my partner uses are
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the tape from the heads. This way, the tape doesn't get ruined and the heads
are not being used....a 10 second delay of inactivity should be fine.

    As a side note...these M2 machines have an excellent dropout
compensation. They don't match the D3 compensations, but it is close. The
large tapes store 90 minutes and the portable tapes store 20. We have run
6 generations without visible loss to the human eye. I am sure there is loss,
but I couldn't notice any. Of course, you get what you pay for...and let me
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> > Why doesn't someone release a descent paint
> > package for hte Toaster? Is it because Newtek won't release programming
> > inforation?
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> As far as I know, this is the case. That is why you do not see direct
> ADPro support either.

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Of course, I guess they don't have to worry about such trivial things
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DXF objects?  I already know of the BBS's that
have objects, and hubcap, which has imagine
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I read recently in rec.video.production that you have a mailing list for
LightWave specific info.

I would like to be added. Is that possible?

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Hello there,
I know that this is a lightwave mail list but this relates to it!
Here it goes: does any one heard about the LaserRecorder from Pioneer
that records 32 minutes of video onto laser discs and IT IS REWRITABLE?
The add I read says it is the VDR-V100 and VDM-V130 models and that
they are already sold. It doesn't say price or other technical specs...
I contacted my Pioneer rep and they know nothing about it.
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  A few comments about LightWave:

1.Is there an easy way to change a one-sided polygon into a 2-sided
polygon? Maybe by making a clone and then flipping it's surface? How
are others doing it?


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motion file is for a newer LightWave." What is the highest version
number currently shipping? (We have 2.0)

3.Why weren't surface morphs included in the 2.0 release? They are
mentioned in the manual (corrected in the Addendum). There are also
character strings in the LightWave file refering to them. Is it just a
matter of the "button" not being there?

That's all for now.

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> Here it goes: does any one heard about the LaserRecorder from Pioneer
> that records 32 minutes of video onto laser discs and IT IS REWRITABLE?
> The add I read says it is the VDR-V100 and VDM-V130 models and that
> they are already sold. It doesn't say price or other technical specs...

Yup, its quite nice. The price may scare you though. They go for around
$60K. And I am not certain but I believe the discs cost around $1K each.
Unless rewriteability is a necessity, I would opt for the Sony CRV unit
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we use a Sony LVR5000 here at the U of T graphics lab. It's
an AMAZING machine. I mention it for the inevitable price
comparison withthe Pioneer disk.... $20,000.

Records component, y/c , composite. 40 mins video/disk. WORM.

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RCS called me (not the other way around... !) to say that some
people have been having problems wwith the fusion 40 and the
new toaster software. They're actually sending a guy from
Montreal to Toronto to visit people in their homes to see
exactly what the problems are. I'm using the old toaster
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> Here it goes: does any one heard about the LaserRecorder from Pioneer
> that records 32 minutes of video onto laser discs and IT IS REWRITABLE?
> The add I read says it is the VDR-V100 and VDM-V130 models and that
> they are already sold. It doesn't say price or other technical specs...

Yup, its quite nice. The price may scare you though. They go for around
$60K. And I am not certain but I believe the discs cost around $1K each.
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 I apologize for wasting bandwidth, but for a while now I have been following
    this mailing list, only recently have I been able to purchase a Toaster.
    (Mainly to be used as a Lightwave dongle) :)
    Well, I finally had gathered enough courage to ask a few questions.

The results have been comparable to a TV turned to a dead channel,  I have
   received only one response (Thank you for your help with Marble Surfaces)

With the large number of people on this list, many being professionals, I
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The questions were simple,  About surface attributes Hints and Lighting Hints.

If anybody out there has any tips about using Specularity and Diffusion setting
   or any good rules of thumb when setting light source percentages, please
   reply.

Thanks...............................................
Jason Linhart   [e-mail]

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> I contacted my Pioneer rep and they know nothing about it.
> Any comments are wellcome, thanks.
> Pedro
> [e-mail]
>

The beasty lists at $40K, it is basically the same as the Panasonic model
I believe the disks cost like $1275 each but they're garuanteed for over
1 million passes. Sony's write once is available for about half the cost
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See the sig.  We finally got a new hard drive installed on our system which
brings our total storage capacity to about 730 Mb.  We have over 500 meg free,
so you are all welcome to use our system as a trading point for 3-D objects
and images.

The person who is actually in charge of day-to-day operations of the Boarding
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> 1.Is there an easy way to change a one-sided polygon into a 2-sided
> polygon?

The quickest way in Modeler is copy, flip, paste. Otherwise you can use
the double sided flag in the Surfaces menu of LightWave.

> 3.Why weren't surface morphs included in the 2.0 release? They are
> mentioned in the manual (corrected in the Addendum). There are also
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Most likely it just doesn't work quite right yet. There are a LOT more
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> RCS called me (not the other way around... !) to say that some
> people have been having problems wwith the fusion 40 and the
> new toaster software.

[I know Allen is now on the list so I hope he is reading this]

Well the 2.0 software appears to be significantly less stable than 1.0 was.
This is clearly caused by NewTek's poor judgement in not having me beta-test
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LightWave). The most notorious cause is the "Save All Objects" button. I
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then save my objects. Even when it crashes, the objects appear to be saved
properly. I have not yet isolated the other crashes to any specific events,
but they come much too frequently for my liking. Another big nuisance is
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below constantly disappears. I see this happen in 2 monitor mode but I have
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>     Well, I finally had gathered enough courage to ask a few questions.
> The results have been comparable to a TV turned to a dead channel,  I have
>    received only one response (Thank you for your help with Marble Surfaces)

I can't speak for anyone else but I did not answer because the questions
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fully answer them and I don't have that kind of time to spare. But if they
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> If anybody out there has any tips about using Specularity and Diffusion
>setting or any good rules of thumb when setting light source percentages,
>please reply.

This is what I mean by too general. I could write a whole chapter on this
topic [I already have :-)]. If you could name a couple specific cases,
I could answer them and you could apply them to more general cases. I don't
wish to discourage you, I'm just trying to make it a little easier for
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In any event, here are a few quickies:
More realism is achieved by using lighting more subtly. One method is
to not allow the sum of Diffuse, Specular, & Reflect to exceed ~ 100%.
When setting light intensites, remember that you can enter values > 100%.
Avoid over-saturated colors (255-0-0 makes a terrible red for video).
If a light is a primary color, don't leave the other sliders at zero. Give
them a small value.
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      Our Toaster lives inside of an A3000 with 8meg fast 2 chip and a new
 PP&S Mercury 040 card 0ram. All of the toaster functions work with the exception
of lightwave. the system crashes when trying to load lightwave power light goes
on and off then software failure,one more thing we are running 2.0 software.

The wierd thing is that when I drop down to 030 mode lightwave works, I,ve tryed
turning all the data cache off with no luck.

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>       Our Toaster lives inside of an A3000 with 8meg fast 2 chip and a new
>  PP&S Mercury 040 card 0ram. All of the toaster functions work with the exception
> of lightwave. the system crashes when trying to load lightwave power light goes
> on and off then software failure,one more thing we are running 2.0 software.
>
> The wierd thing is that when I drop down to 030 mode lightwave works, I,ve tryed
> turning all the data cache off with no luck.
>
> If anybody has any idea of how to get lightwave working with the 040 I would
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>                                       Thanks in advance
>                                             Randy Swan
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just fine. I suggest you contact PP&S and talk to them about your problem. The
PP&S tech support people are very helpful and may already have a fix the problem
you're having.
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did you follow the amigaworld advice about copying the
file "lightwave.fp" into "lightwave"? There may be some weirdness
if your toaster thinks it's getting an FPU (as it is on an '030) and
isn't getting one (the '040 has the FPU built into the CPU, so the
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My toaster runs perfectly with my 040 (fusion 40, RCS)

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that to get into the BBS.  Then when it asks you for
"Login ID (or "new" for new user)"
enter "new" to create a new account.  Give yourself a login ID and
password.  Leave a message for jerryt (or use the FEEDBACK command)
reminding me what you were looking for and I will post it to your
private account directory.  Then when you call back, enter "download"
at the main menu prompt.  This will give you explicit instructions on
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> From att!dgp.toronto.edu!sheasby Tue Mar 17 16:19:00 1992
> Date:     Tue, 17 Mar 1992 10:25:58 -0500
> From: Michael Sheasby <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: getting lightwave to work with an 040
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> did you follow the amigaworld advice about copying the
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> file "lightwave.fp" into "lightwave"? There may be some weirdness
> if your toaster thinks it's getting an FPU (as it is on an '030) and
> isn't getting one (the '040 has the FPU built into the CPU, so the
> toaster doesn't know where to find it)
>
> My toaster runs perfectly with my 040 (fusion 40, RCS)
>
> ---Mike.
>
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> I would like to sign on directly to the BBS to get the uudecode program.
> How do I get past the login prompt?

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I will be adjusing access levels to allow some guest transfers of
"important" files such as uudecode.

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I thought there was a toaster list, but it seems not. Here's a toaster question
(or two) for y'all...
1 > A friend has a Toaster (v2 software) and wants to know
    if there's any way to get an alpha channel drop shadow
    within the luminance keyer.
2 > Is it possible to compile discreetly generated fields in
    the 4 field framestore? Since 8 fields can be played
    sequentially , one could construct interesting animated
    loops (no?).
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> I thought there was a toaster list, but it seems not.

There is, I am surprised no one replied....
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This is the toaster-list, dedicated to the NewTek Video Toaster.
Requests to listserv@karazm

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unsubscribe toaster-list

Ftp site:  karazm.math.uh.edu:pub/Toaster

Drop anything you'd like to put up for ftp in
karazm.math.uh.edu:pub/Incoming (and let me know, so I can put it in
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> 1 > A friend has a Toaster (v2 software) and wants to know
>     if there's any way to get an alpha channel drop shadow
>     within the luminance keyer.

The 1.0 Toaster had an Art Card effect for custom switcher effects but it
was binary. I haven't tested it yet but I don't believe the 2.0 Art Card
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believe there is any other method for alpha shadows since neither LightWave
or the new Framestores currently support alpha.

> 2 > Is it possible to compile discreetly generated fields in
>     the 4 field framestore? Since 8 fields can be played
>     sequentially , one could construct interesting animated
>     loops (no?).

There is no easy way to do this but it should be possible if you do
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as frames. I have also heard of people using odd/even line masks in
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Within the last month there was a posting for a Toaster ftp site.
I have the address as karam.math.uh.edu
Did I copy the information incorrectly?  Also does anyone have the
numeric address for this site?

Many thanks in advance  =:)

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Close, but no tiparillo.  it's KARAZM.MATH.UH.EDU, or 129.7.128.1

Which, by the way, is home of the Power Gloves archives.

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I just got my 030-Toaster station yesterday :)) and am curious
as to whether it is possible to framegrab from an input in
which a Chromakey effect is being applied.  The reason being
that it would be nice to apply the CHROME effect to a person
(myself for example), framegrab the chrome screen, and then
grab that same scene without the person and without the
Chrome effect, take the two grabbed frames into TPaint and
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(Whoops... I meant to say "ChromaFX" not "Chromakey effect"
above).

Obviously this would be faster than getting my hands on a
human object and rendering it, and pasting him onto a
grabbed video background.  Also, the chrome person created
via ChromaFX actually looks like me, as opposed to my
having to model an object to look like me. Any ideas? I
didn't see any instructions on how to do this in the manual
(but then again, I've been having too much fun to read all
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applying the Chrome effect onto only things or actors that
are in motion in the scene....

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A Cyberware scanned 3D model of my head is now available on hubcap and can
be found in /pub/amiga/incoming/graphics/markhead.lzh. It is in LightWave
format but should not present a problem to convert to Imagine format with
Pixel3D or InterChange Plus (though the Imagine people will definately be at
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    If anyone is interested in a 3d modeling newsgroup,
please see the recent posts in the news.groups and
comp.sys.amiga.graphics go roups.

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Well, I haven't seen much chatter in this list lately so I decided to
do yet another test to make sure everything is running as expected.

I imagine (no pun intended) that with IRS day around the corner and
spring springing, and the new 2.0 Lightwave software being released
all around the same time, that people are busy.

Busy doing taxes, busy doing lots of paying work with Lightwave 3D
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I know I've been horribly busy with all the above not to mention some
AmigaVision projects.  I barely have time to blast off a single
article to the group much less get any tutorials and samples done for
you all.

I'm hoping that some of you on the list have more time than I do and
will give us all and idea as to what you are doing with Lightwave at
the moment.

As for me, I have a logo for IEEE that is due in a week (well, we
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remake of a logo for GPU Nuclear.  Based on my past work for GPU,
I've just been informed that a new logo treatment for another
department is on order and I will be getting the info (design and
budgetary) on Tuesday.

I also have an AmigaVision interactive kiosk to finish up by Friday.
Most of that is done and it just needs some finishing touches.

Is anyone else working on some projects?  How about letting us know
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Well, based on the fact that there has been a lot of activity on the
Imagine conference, and DCTV forthat matter, AND so little activity here
I Imagine there are a lot more Lightwavers LightWaving without problems,
than with the other devices :}
Anyway, having just completed a reasonable logo treatment last night, and
of course, discussing every gory detail with another LightWaver we came
up with the following suggestion for 3.0. (Sorry, 2.0, the honeymoon is
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but it is even more difficult to see what the camera sees by having to
bop back and forth between layout and camera menus to adjust zoom length.
BTW Mark, I STILL can't get a fisheye (wide angle) by adjusting the zoom
length, Bob, you may be able to clarify this a little more.

Anyway, at least this IS a post, and it is in the lonely LightWave conf.
so if I somehow missed the zoom from layout button, please let me know,
like you guys would cut anyone a nano second of a break if they got
something a little off in here. Also I guess we'll send up a couple
jpeged frames from this job we're finishing, Bob?
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Please do.

Me, that is.

See below.

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    I have made a proposal to start new newsgroups for
3d users. If anyone is interested in a new 3d newsgroup,
please see the csa.graphics or news.groups groups for more
info. I made a mistake in my original posts so I will have to
repost anyway. The worst part is that I am not able to moderate
anything or be responsible for any new group creation because I
am busy with final exams in the next four weeks.

    I am interested in knowing what type of file format I
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Message#1 is forwarded message direct from RCS to ALL present owners
of their Fusion40 board.

Message#2 is a forwarded message direct from RCS regarding the US
special offer and method of payment.

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"GAL22V10-15LP" and is experiencing *any* problems at boot, random
crashes and very unstable operation with *6.2* motherboards, please
notify RCS immediately at:

Voice# 514-871-4924
Fax#   [phone]

This problem has been solved. The offending part needs to be changed.
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Note that this message concerns all Fusion40 users with 6.2 motherboards
*everywhere*.

Thankyou for your patience.

-RCS Management.
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RCS Management *DOES* accept personal checks as payment. However the
the order cannot be shipped until the check has been cleared. This check
clearing time will be between 3-4 weeks. RCS is not responsible for
this delay. This *is* the time required for a US bank to clear a check.


RCS Management does NOT have a policy to deal with credit cards do to
fact that RCS is not a dealer and generally does sell directly to the
public. In otherwords, RCS is not set up to accept credit card payments.
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As this is a limited time offer, RCS will not be setting-up to deal
with credit card payments at this time. RCS apologizes for any
inconvienience this may cause.

-RCS Management

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> I Imagine there are a lot more Lightwavers LightWaving without problems,
> than with the other devices :}

I would venture to say that LightWave users encounter far fewer problems
than Imagine users but by judging the size of this mailing list, I'll bet
there are a lot of problems people just aren't posting.

> BTW Mark, I STILL can't get a fisheye (wide angle) by adjusting the zoom
> length, Bob, you may be able to clarify this a little more.

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If any of you 3D people out there are going to the show this weekend and
would like to meet/chat/slam-a-cony together, lets pick a place to gather...
say like at the exhibit entrance at 12:00 noon on Saturday (inside the
exhibition doors). I'll be there most of the day unless its tremendously
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I'll hopefully be taking the train there.
I will also (if I get some free time) be letting people copy my 2d morphing
software.  It is a little better then ImageMaster but doesn't include all
the image processing options the IM does.   Has sockets for RPC calls that
run on IBM RS/6000, HP9000/720 and Sun SParcs for distributed morphing.
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>RCS Management does NOT have a policy to deal with credit cards do to
>fact that RCS is not a dealer and generally does sell directly to the
                                             ^^^^^^^^^
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Mark Thompson <rutgers!westford.ccur.com!mark> writes:

> By setting camera zoom to something less than the default of 2.4, you
> increase the perspective distortion in the scene. While it will not actually
> warp the objects (an infinite plane will not curve into a parabola) like
> a fish-eye lens will, it will give an exagerated perspective and a wide
> angle view. Try setting it at 0.5 for example.

Bob and I had this discussion just last night as he prooved to me it
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Only thing is the perspective went along the length of the letters, in my
case, I extruded the letters, and wanted to "fly" between two word. One
on top of the other. This would require that the exageration occur on the
letters edge! I knew I tried everything, the only way to get the effect
is to really extrude those letter NOT or use a wide angle lens. I brought
the lens down to .0125 and up but to no avail. So I stick by my request
that this be added along with controls for it in the layout.
Guess will bring some frames to the show and we can swap stories, bet it
makes quite a comotion in the both we decide to "discuss things at" I
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This is a forwarded message direct from RCS Management regarding
their special offer on the Fusion40 board and the subject of US
club membership (clarification):

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Members (anywhere) of clubs BASED in the United States ARE eligible
for the special offer. This includeds clubs such as Victor Osaka's
(formerly TurboSig) 3D club etc.., special electronic mailling
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lists (ie: Imagine, DCTV, Lightwave etc..) or any other "club" whose
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The "club" must maintain a membership list and the "member" must be
able to prove his/her membership.


--------------------------end of forwarded message----------------

The problem became readily apparent when RCS started to receive a lot
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me with this clarification.

If there are any questions, please, either phone/fax RCS directly or
leave a message in this newsgroup/mailing list if it would appear
to be of interest to many. Please do NOT send me e-mail (if possible).

RCS : voice# 514-871-4924
        fax# [phone]



Thankyou..

-stephen

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Sorry, it appears I forgot to post the RCS Original offer to
this mailing list. I apologize for that oversight. Here it is:



This a forwarded message regarding a hardware and software offer being
made to all Amiga club members and developers in the US. The message
is an exact duplicate of the notice now being mailed to clubs
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                           UNBELIEVABLE !!!
      A 68040 ACCELERATOR FOR YOUR AMIGA 2000 FOR LESS THAN $1000
        PLUS, A HARD TO BELIEVE DEAL ON PRESTIGIOUS SOFTWARES.

Dear Amiga club members and registered developers,

No, you're not dreaming, at RCS Management we know that a great number
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of club members and registered developers are the heart of the Amiga
market.

To show them our appreciation and support we are presenting to all club
members and to all registered developers in the United States an
exceptional hardware and softwares offer.

The 28 MHz FUSION-FORTY 68040 accelerator board for $995 with 0 MB,
plus $175 for each additional 4MB !!!

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To enjoy your accelerator even more we are offering you a selection of
very affordable high quality softwares,so for each person buying our
accelerator you can buy one or all of the following software packages:


ImageMaster (68030 version)
    (From Black Belt Systems)    $109.95  (retail $249)
CanDo
    (From Inovatronics, Inc.)     $72.00  (retail $149.95)
Caligari2
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    (From Octree Software, Inc.)    $199.00  (retail $399)
Caligari PRO 24
    (From Octree Software, Inc.)    $599.00  (retail $995)
Caligari Broadcast 2.1
    (From Octree Software, Inc.)    $995.00  (retail $1995)

RCS Management would like to thank Black Belt Systems, Inovatronics and
Octree for their comprehension and support of this exceptional offer.

You will find an order form and some more informations enclosed in this
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envelope, please feel free to call if there are any questions about this
offer.

For the clubs, we would like to have a representative that would order
for it's members, if that is not practical then please provide us a
list of your members so that we can verify who is and who is not a
member: we are not doing this to make your life difficult but in fact
this offer should be a nice way for clubs to increase their membership.

For Amiga registered developers, your developer number has to be
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provided.

Thank you for your attention, RCS will keep you posted on our upcoming
"CHIP RAM ACCELERATOR" for the FUSION-FORTY.

N.B:    Proof of club membership or developer status is required.
    Prepayment required for this special.
    Please 3-5 weeks delivery. (Worst case scenario)
    Shipping and handling extra.
    All prices in US dollar.
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    This special ends May 31st 1992.

CONTACT:

RCS Management Inc
120 McGill Street,
Montreal, Quebec
Canada H2Y 2E5

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This is a forwarded message direct from RCS Management regarding
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Members (anywhere) of clubs BASED in the United States ARE eligible
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headquarters, base machine.., are located in the US.

The "club" must maintain a membership list and the "member" must be
able to prove his/her membership


The problem became readily apparent when RCS started to receive a lot
of calls from "members" outside of the US and in fairness to all, phoned
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me with this clarification.

-------------------------end of message#2-------------------------------

The following is in regards to the announced RCS Management Special
Offer to United States Amiga club members and developers.

RCS Management *DOES* accept personal checks as payment. However the
the order cannot be shipped until the check has been cleared. This check
clearing time will be between 3-4 weeks. RCS is not responsible for
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RCS Management does NOT have a policy to deal with credit cards do to
fact that RCS is not a dealer and generally does sell directly to the
                                            ^^^^^^^^^
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public. In otherwords, RCS is not set up to accept credit card payments.
As this is a limited time offer, RCS will not be setting-up to deal
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inconvienience this may cause.


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Please note that I bear NO responsibility for the above notice. I am
not and never have been, an employee of any of the above mentioned
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companies.

This is a exact duplicate of RCS's mailing announcement. You will not
find the mentioned "order form" accompaning  this post. For this and
other information, please contact RCS directly.

Please, do NOT send *me* e-mail regarding this message. Contact
RCS directly. If I have time, I will to however, try to respond to any
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According to RCS, all previous US purchasers of the RCS Fusion40 ARE
eligable for the software specials mentioned above.

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Mark Thompson <rutgers!westford.ccur.com!mark> writes:

> If any of you 3D people out there are going to the show this weekend and
> would like to meet/chat/slam-a-cony together, lets pick a place to gather...
> say like at the exhibit entrance at 12:00 noon on Saturday (inside the
> exhibition doors). I'll be there most of the day unless its tremendously
> boring. And Bob, I'll bring you a disk with my Cyberscanned head on it.

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if we can fanagle it.

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> I'll hopefully be taking the train there.
> I will also (if I get some free time) be letting people copy my 2d morphing
> software.  It is a little better then ImageMaster but doesn't include all
> the image processing options the IM does.   Has sockets for RPC calls that
> run on IBM RS/6000, HP9000/720 and Sun SParcs for distributed morphing.
> This software will most likely go commercial so beta copies can only be had
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I guess the subj says it all.  Please sign
me up to the Lightwave mailing list.

Thanks..
Scott..

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What are people's experiences with using the FusionForty recently
described on this list?  Right now, I'm using a GVP A3001 (w/o any
32-bit RAM :-() running at around 45 MhZ on my A2000 and a
Toaster/Lightwave, soon to be upgraded to 2.0.  I want to upgrade my
system speed, and I'm not sure whether to add 32-bit RAM to my GVP
accellerator or go for the FusionForty.

thanks,.
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Because of all the inquiries people have sent about my morphing software
I'll just post to the mailing list.
The differences between IM and my stuff is I believe IM allows you to plot
points anywhere (same here) next they make a triangle mesh where as I use
spline patches.  The second is speed, it takes 30 seconds to process a frame
and this should get alot faster when I finish putting everything in assembly
and use fixed point integers instead of lattice's FFP library.  The software is
still very early beta and will be for sometime, i'm working on five other projects that i'm being paid for, so they take some preference over morphing.
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to a server program that processes the morphs, with the interface on the amiga.
My software is still a long ways from something commercial so I wouldn't hold
out on purchasing IM to wait for this.  IM has alot of IP features that I won't
include that are very usefull.  I'm also considering a batch compositing tool
and a module for morph that will automatically pick out points of interest
making the initial setup less tedious.  As for mailing out copies to people.
I'd like to eventually go commercial with this software so I think WOC at NYC
would be a good place to give out beta copies.  Siggraph would be better, but
that is a long time away from now.  I will be at the show saturday or sunday.
Most likely sunday, spring carnival is on wed-sat and I have to do a snowboard
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like the one at siggraph, and I can't make it, I'll get a list of people who
were there and contact them about getting a copy of MoRf v0.7.

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> Guess will bring some frames to the show and we can swap stories, bet it
> makes quite a comotion in the both we decide to "discuss things at" I
> trust you'll bring good junk to.

Yeah, I'll bring a tape and possibly a disk or two. The tape is a hodge
podge of test anims, commercial jobs, demos, and some recent 2D morphing
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The decision to move the fusion forty kinda depends on what applications
you do normally on your amiga.  I am about 80% of the way to completing
an installation of a FF40 on my 2000.  First there are the configuration
issuses.
You have GVP combo so I am assuming you use its on board hard drive
controller.  So moving to the fusion forty will require you to use
a differnt hd interface.  The 2091 will work but it really requires
version 6.9 of the controller roms to wrok well.  The hard frame doesn't
work as far as I know.  Generally dma interfaces arn't optimal with the 040
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pretty good because they avoid most of the cache probs, so IVS
trumpcard, old supra, old gvp, old cltd will wokr(currently I have
an old cltd because it works under 1.3).
Second if you do get the ff40 get a 2.0 rom.  No way around it.  If
you try to use it under 1.3 you will loose a good deal of sleep, and
work.  Software is just plain flaky under 1.3 with an 040. (I just got
mine today).
So how fast is it really, or more accuralty how fast does it feel, well
I my experience so far has all been under 1.3 and my basis for comparison
has been my 1000 with 16MHz lucas/frances).  If you can get the board
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to remap kickstart to 32bit ram and work reliably the general feel
of the machine (pointing clicking, moving windows, response to your
input, etc.) will really reaally jump.  All that other sped increase
stuff the advertisments only comes into play when you are cranking away math.  The bootleneck is the graphics chips/chip ram and when you
interfacting with the machine the rom and chip ram are being used.

So now if you use your machine to ray tracing where you arn't actually
doing anything the board will do a lot better than the gvp otherwise
it will fell about the same.

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There are still pd utils and similar software that isn't 040 friendly.
the easy way around this is to turn off the copyback mode and the data cache.
Now these things work but you have given up a good deal of the edge the
040 gives you over the gvp.

If you would like to run utils like memmung or enforcer and the like
you can't because the 040 has a slightly differnt MMU than the gvp.  These
programs are generally only useful to developers os this might not be a
concern.  For the same reason you can't run amax.

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All these catches will/may change as time goes on. RCS has hinted
that they may offer their own hard drive interface that sits
on the 040 card like the gvp which will solve problems.  They
have also hinted that they mayoffer an option where the 040
can talk to the chip ram at 040 speeds.

Lastly the memory for the 040 isn't autoconfig.  You have to run
a bit of software in your startup-sequence to bring up the 32 bit ram and
turn on the 040's caches.

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A couple of months back amiga world did a review of the available 040 boards
speed wise they are all pretty close.  The ff40 has been out the longest,
however the software that allows the board to run under 1.3 has not
impressed me(to be fair the board really should be run under 2.0 as
all the other 040 boards require it).  A good quote from the article
was .. this is the cutting edge of technology, though some would say
the bleeding edge. ... if you need the computational speed
this is the fastest option.

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> I have sent repeated requests, which have been ignored.
>
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> Stratocaster

The requests have not been ignored.  You have been removed.  I have
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> What are people's experiences with using the FusionForty recently
> described on this list?  Right now, I'm using a GVP A3001 (w/o any
> 32-bit RAM :-() running at around 45 MhZ on my A2000 and a
> Toaster/Lightwave, soon to be upgraded to 2.0.  I want to upgrade my
> system speed, and I'm not sure whether to add 32-bit RAM to my GVP
> accellerator or go for the FusionForty.
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> thanks,.
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Having a 68030 accellerator without any 32bit ram is like having a
Ferrari without tires.  You aren't going to get anywhere fast!

I would suggest you go for some 32bit ram as ram prices have dropped
considerably over the past year.  I think you would be surprised at
the difference you will experience as soon as you add no less than 4
megs of 32bit ram.  I find that using any less than 4 megs causes the
2000 to eat up the 32bit ram for other things and drops you into
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Has anyone bought the new Zeus card from PP yet? I heard that it's selling in the range of $10,000 right now. PP either must be trying to offset the price for the SCSI-2 implementation or that card must really fly to cost that much.
If anyone seen the card in operation, leave a reply. Those SCSI-2 drives 10Mb/sec must be excellent for Toaster operation.. It could be just the thing for
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> Has anyone bought the new Zeus card from PP yet? I heard that it's selling
> in the range of $10,000 right now. PP either must be trying to offset the
> price for the SCSI-2 implementation or that card must really fly to cost
> that much.

I think you are confusing this board with some other. I was told that it would
list for approximately $2900 with 0K memory and no disk. To fully configure
it with say 64MB of RAM and a 500MB fast SCSI-2 drive, you are getting up
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> If anyone seen the card in operation, leave a reply. Those
> SCSI-2 drives 10Mb/sec must be excellent for Toaster operation.. It could
> be just the thing for realtime 24 bit animation. (a little slow but
> acceptable).

If you could actually achieve 10MB/s continuous transfer, a 15fps Toaster
animation would be possible. In my last conversation with PP however, they
said they were only achieving around 8.3MB/s and that the Amiga OS was to
blame. But even if you could get 10MB/s transfers, you are still going to be
limited by the bus transfers from 32bit RAM to Toaster display memory and
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As for seeing a board in operation, I am told they will not be showing it
off at WOC in NYC simply because PP will not be there. However, I am slated
to receive the first board that they ship, which should be about a week
from now, and I'll let ya know what I think.
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I think Briwall is selling the Zeus for $10,000-ish, probably with RAM and
the hard drive. Even if it's 8.3 MB/s, it's still several orders of magnitude
faster than the standard scsi drives. Playing back the animation would have
to be done not through the toaster, but probably through another display
card like the Firecracker. The Toaster wasn't designed for animation display,
either is the Firecracker, but the Firecracker has a better shot at displaying
the 24 bit images on the fly.

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Displaying an animation at 10-15 fps is pretty acceptable when in any
other situation you wouldn't even have more than a single frame a second.

I'm dissapointed that PP won't be there at NYC. There's three companies that
I look forward to seeing at the show, GVP, Supra and Practical Peripherals at
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    I have uploaded to the pub/Incoming of karazm.math.uh.edu two framestores of backgrounds created on a PaintBox system.  All usual disclaimers apply.
Contained in lha archive is the same background slate we use to key titles
of games, plays, statistics etc. over.  I posted the origional plain unedited
background in addition.  I hope this sparks an interest for those who really
use ToasterPaint.  I plan to be creating more with LW 2.0.  Comments are
appreciated.
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    I have uploaded to the pub/Incoming of karazm.math.uh.edu two framestores of backgrounds created on a PaintBox system.    All usual disclaimers apply.
Contained in lha archive is the same background slate we use to key titles
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I tried to post this to comp.sys.amiga.graphics but our news connection
is currently in serious trouble. It does not really pertain to LightWave
or Imagine but I figured many of you would be interested anyway.....

Well with all the hoopla about morphing with Imagemaster, I had to try it
out. So I put together a test morph to see how well the software
would work. The results are on hubcap.clemson.edu and the file can be found
in /pub/amiga/incoming/graphics/MarkMorph.lzh. It is a 40 frame animation of
my wife turning into a leopard. I was quite impressed with the results and
I think you will be to. This is a DCTV animation because the standard Amiga
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confirmed my purchase plans for Imagemaster. Thanks Ben for the spiffy
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PAL Toaster?

As a UK Toaster user (there are a few of us, you know) I'm getting a
little tired of asking (and being asked) when a PAL Toaster will be
available. Maybe there's someone out there who might be willing to
shed a little light on the subject. After all, there are a few
million potential PAL Toaster owners who just might be interested!

Secondly, I also use Imagine quite widely and I understand from
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I need help with the modeler. Let me describe my situation and maybe
someone can help me.

I'm making a picture frame that I can map pictures into and hang on a
wall. So using the Left view in the modeler, I used about 25 points to
form a cross-section (it has a nice curvey front edge). Since this
front edge is kinda S-shaped, I doubled up on each point to avoid any
Phong shading errors (as described at the beginning of the LightWave
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X-axis, to give me the top part of my frame. I realized that I needed
a 45 degree angle on the edge in order for the pieces to fit together
nicely. So I took the top point on the section of frame I was working
on and moved it over so that the line connecting the top and bottom
points was at approx. 45 degrees. Then I moved over all the points
inbetween one at a time (is there an easier way to make a straight
edge with more than two points into a 45 degree slant?). After doing
this for one edge, I didn't want to do it for the other, so I
"mirrored" this section to complete the top part of my frame. It looks
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                   *-------------------*      * *    |
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This gives me all I need for the frame. All I have to do is clone and
rotate this section to give me the sides, and bottom. The problem is
those two sets of points in the middle. They cause each side to have
three sections of polygons as you can see in the diagram. When I use a
wood texture on my frame, there's a nice continuous texture on the
left, then it "stops" and there's a different pattern in the middle,
then another on the right. It looks like the wood was cut from three
different trees. How can I get rid of these points in the middle, and
still have the two 45 degree edges connected? There are too many
points on each edge to connect them one by one (there's more than I
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merge polygons to no effect. Do I have to start over, do the
extrusion, and manually make both edges opposing 45 degree angles?

Did anyone follow that? These things are pretty hard to explain in
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> The system I'm on doesn't have sz. Is the source available publically, where
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I have the sz-rz source in C on our ftp site here.
the address is plains.nodak.edu

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I know I am really the bozo now!  I didnt bother to follow the thread
on this subject and was curious as to how you get the neon tubes to
glow?  I am doing a project at work that could move me from part
time sales to full time video productions, and this would be a
thing I would need to do with the project I have in mind...

I guess I would be more interested in doing this in Lightwave than
Imagine, but I am still very interested in how to do it in Imagine.

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of the Lightwave 3D mailing list membership roster.  Here is the latest
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I thought Lightwave users could benifit from seeing this free demo.  Pardon
this brief commercial announcement.

Graphic Imagination Inc.  announces the release of a free demonstration of
Still-Store by Randy Carris.  This demo of Still-Store is Copyright 1991
Graphic Imagination Inc.  It is freely distributable as long as all files
and documentation accompany it.

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useful purposes: to save valuable hard drive space, and to save valuable
time.  Space is save by optionally utilizing JPEG compression.  Still-Store
supports the same (JFIF) file standard as other Amiga image programs use.
Compression and decompression of multiple files is completely automated for
your convenience.  Time is saved by allowing you to browse through your
images quickly to locate the ones you need for a given project.
Still-Store lets you preview your images without having to waste time
decompressing ones you don't want.  Previews can be compared side by side
to ease the selection process.  In addition, Still-Store maintains a
database of information on your images so you can keep track of useful
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information and perform searches.  Still-Store can import any IFF image as
well as images already compressed with JPEG.  Image sets from other vendors
can also be imported into Still-Store to provide a complete management
solution.

Still-Store includes 20 768x482 24bit images suitable for use as
backgrounds or as texture maps in all popular 3D programs.

In this demo, the import and export functions are disabled.  It
does include many previews to demonstate most functions of the program, as
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well as sample database entries.

Still-Store does not have any system requirements, but a hard drive, 3
megabytes of memory, and a processor accelerator are strongly encouraged.
It has been fully tested under AmigaDos 2 with NTSC systems.

Still-Store retails for $99.95, but until June 30, 1992, the price is
discounted to $79.95 plus $3.50 S&H.  Contact Graphic Imagination Inc. for
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Graphic Imagination Inc.
PO Box 661
Marion, IA. 52303
Phone [phone]

This demo will be available for FTP from:

grind.isca.uiowa.edu as /amiga/utils/ssdemo.lha

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> I thought Lightwave users could benifit from seeing this free demo.  Pardon
> this brief commercial announcement.
>
> Graphic Imagination Inc.  announces the release of a free demonstration of
> Still-Store by Randy Carris.  This demo of Still-Store is Copyright 1991
> Graphic Imagination Inc.  It is freely distributable as long as all files
> and documentation accompany it.
>
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> Still-Store is an image browser for 24bit IFF files.  It serves two very
> useful purposes: to save valuable hard drive space, and to save valuable
> time.  Space is save by optionally utilizing JPEG compression.  Still-Store
> supports the same (JFIF) file standard as other Amiga image programs use.
>
> This demo will be available for FTP from:
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> grind.isca.uiowa.edu as /amiga/utils/ssdemo.lha
>
> and hubcap.clemson.edu as /pub/amiga/incoming/graphics.tools/ssdemo.lha
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>                        or /pub/amiga/incoming/uploads/ssdemo.lha

This demo is also available from the file server:

[e-mail]

in the directory:

amiga/upload/ssdemo.lha

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to obtain the demo.

A couple of items.  This demo is *severly* crippled.  All you can
really do is look at the interface and browse the few mini images
they make available in it.  You can *NOT* retrieve any of the images
they provide because there are only the small thumbnail database
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images avialable.  You can't add any Images to the database because
they have crippled that function.  You can use the retrieve function
because that also is crippled.  There is no data available in the
image database at all.  They should have at least provided some
sample data so you can't do any of the search functions unless you
enter in your own data.  You can't save any data because that feature
is not implemented.

Basically nothing is implemented in the demo version at all.  When
you go to the retrieve or the Add to Store screens the demo pops you
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(640x400 Interlaced) into 640x200 mode which is *very* annoying.

I found that the "demo" really isn't a demo of the program at all
because it doesn't provide any of the functionality of the program at
all.  All it does is allow you to see the interface and the options
available to you.  I suggest these people figure out a better way to
provide some of the functionality of the program if they are going to
distribute a demo.  I was left with a sour taste in my mouth after
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the implementation of the demo was less than exciting.  The program
uses a custom interface and is quite nice to look at.  If you are
interested in viewing the interface and seeing what the program might
be able to do (your really can't tell if it's going to live up to
its promises from the demo) then I suggest you get a copy of the
"demo".   Otherwise you might just as well wait for a review of the
fully working program.

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Bob,
That's very strange...  No one else seems to have the troubles you did.  Did you have LHA
(or LZ ect.) leave the directory structure intact?

The Database should contain a full set of entries.  You can browse and search through
them to your hearts content.  I will check it out.

The import and export functions are disabled because if we enabled them, no one would
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As to the Add to Store screen "popping" into a lower resolution screen...  This is simply
improve the performance of the import/export process.  You are the only one of mant
testers that has found this annoying.  I will note this for future changes if others seem to
agree.

I'm sorry you had a bad taste from the demo.  I will make some changes and re-upload
them to hubcap.  Look for it on Tuesday.

Someone else suggested that the program load and save Toaster FrameStores.  I will add
an arexx call to do this.  It will have to use ToasterPaint however, and will therefore be
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slower than IFF24.  It should automate things even further though.

For those of you with out FTP access, leave me a note and I'll mail it to you uuencoded.
Bob, I'll send you one direct so you don't have to get it form Hubcap.

We do take all these suggestions seriously, so if you have any positive requests, let us
know.   Everything works in the commercial version and I am sure you will not be
disappointed.

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Hi Randy!  In <[e-mail]> on May 22, you wrote:

> Bob,
> That's very strange...  No one else seems to have the troubles you did.
> Did you have LHA (or LZ ect.) leave the directory structure intact?

Yes I did.  I always extract that way.

> The Database should contain a full set of entries.  You can browse and search through
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Please do.  I FTPed your Demo from one of the places you mentioned in
your initial post and I have read the text file.  In the text file it
explains about a .DAT file that is *not* in the ssdemo.lha archive.  I
imagine this is why I'm not getting any data in the database. <grin>

While I am on the subject of the database, I would love to see the
database able to pickup various information from an image automatically.
What I mean is a way to click on an image or image name from a file
requestor and for it to automatically enter in the creation date, color
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information, file-notes and size into the fields of the database.  This
would speed up the entering of such data considerably since it looks
like a totally manual keystroke operation currently.  It would also be
nice for the program to batch read a directory of images and to enter
the information it can find into the database automatically.

> The import and export functions are disabled because if we enabled them, no one would
> have any reason to buy the program.  That is why it is called SSDemo.

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However, if your targeted demo market can't get a real feel for your
product, they are not going to get too excited about it.  Maybe you can
hardcode some image names into it or limit it's usefulness in some other
manner than totally crippling certain features.  It's very important to
myself as it probably is to others that we experience the time factor
involved in going through the *whole* process of picking an image,
entering its data, reducing it to a thumbnail size image and then
finally retrieving the selected image to determine if the program in
question is going to fill our needs professionally.  If we can't
determin this from the demo, then the demo is of no use to us.
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> As to the Add to Store screen "popping" into a lower resolution screen...  This is simply
> improve the performance of the import/export process.  You are the only one of mant
> testers that has found this annoying.  I will note this for future changes if others seem to
> agree.

Ok, I can deal with that.  However, maybe you should make it a
configurable option for those who are not that worried about performance
hits.  I personally like an interface that is consistant.  If you leave
the option up to the user, then you have a much better product.
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> I'm sorry you had a bad taste from the demo.  I will make some changes and re-upload
> them to hubcap.  Look for it on Tuesday.

Ok, I will be looking forward to a new demo.  However, I would like to
see some of the above changes before I retrieve a new demo. <grin>

> For those of you with out FTP access, leave me a note and I'll mail it to you uuencoded.
> Bob, I'll send you one direct so you don't have to get it form Hubcap.

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I have FTP access.   If you drop me a note when you upload the new demo,
I will then fTP it and make it available on my server.

> We do take all these suggestions seriously, so if you have any positive requests, let us
> know.   Everything works in the commercial version and I am sure you will not be
> disappointed.
>
> Sincerely,
> Randy Carris
>
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Thanks Randy.  My positive requests are above. <grin>  I figure
everything works in the commercial version but my concern is the time
involved in the process.  If you can provide us a feel for that, then I
think you will have a much more representative demo to share with us.

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Sorry for the confusion folks, but the original archive had a problem.

There is a new version of SSDemo on hubcap for FTP.  It should work fine as long as your
archiver leaves the directory structure intact.  We also enabled more of the demo, making
it nearly as functional as the commercial version, but not as convienient.  We went out on
a linb here, so please if you like the demo, buy the program.

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Thanks again,
Randy Carris

P.S.  We are working on using ARexx to access ToasterPaint.  This will allow Toaster
owners to directly import FrameStores into StillStore directly just like any IFF24.  It will not
likely export files in FrameStore format, though, because we believe converting images to
composite should be the very last step in production before commiting them to tape.  To
retain highest quality, it is advisable to add elements in TP anyway.  Let us know what
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This is not a commercial announcement and I know many of you have expressed
an interest....

Well I got my 28MHz 68040 Zeus card last week and it is a screamer. It has
32MB of 60ns RAM installed (room for upto 64MB) and a fast SCSI-2
controller. It had a couple problems when delivered but thats what beta
testing is all about.  I was told that the other beta site installed without
a hitch. As for speed increases....WOW. The only definite comparison I have
so far is a very complex LightWave scene which took 9.5 hours on my 25MHz
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Hi All!
     Ever since I recieved my Toaster2.0 upgrade, I have been in awe of
 the rendering that came with the set of disks (The Frame with the
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I also had the chance to see a video printer last week!  A Panasonic,
forget the model # (specs at work).  The both, at a Teacher's Tech conv
had the machine hooked up to a regular camcorder.  They had some picts
off from a Laser Video Player also, that were very impressive!  They
took a pict of me and gave it to me.  Not a bad little machine for
around $1200 (not meaning to sound like an add).

Sence seeing this machine I have been wondering about dunping 24bit
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Problem is that I would have to convert the IFF24s, FrameStores, RGBs
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I know that there are several products that do this, but would just
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> I also had the chance to see a video printer last week!  A Panasonic,
> forget the model # (specs at work).  The both, at a Teacher's Tech conv
> had the machine hooked up to a regular camcorder.  They had some picts
> off from a Laser Video Player also, that were very impressive!  They
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printers lately.  The last ones I saw were mostly B/W with fairly low
resolution and small sizes.  The last color video printer I had was a
Hitachi and only printed 4"x5" images and cost around $2200.  It did
an ok job but you could see the pixels.

> Sence seeing this machine I have been wondering about dunping 24bit
> images to film (using the equipement we have).  We have a Dos machine
> with a 35mm slide/film printer from Montage that does a great job!
>
> Problem is that I would have to convert the IFF24s, FrameStores, RGBs
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>
> I know that there are several products that do this, but would just
> like your guys' opinions on them.
>
> Type at ya l8r..
> Scott..

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any type of print/prepress work on the Amiga.  Its strong suit is
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well worth the cost of admission.

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Jason Linhart <rutgers!mizzou1.missouri.edu!C488604> writes:

> Hi All!
>      Ever since I recieved my Toaster2.0 upgrade, I have been in awe of
>  the rendering that came with the set of disks (The Frame with the
>  picture of Kiki, the glass, and the 2dollar bill)  Last week I was
>  playing around with making a similar frame, But I am having the
>  most difficult time with the glasses attributes.  Does anyone out
>  there have any Idea how to get a realistic looking glass?

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Yes, that image is very real looking.  When we show it to people most
just say "so what".  And we reply that it isn't a frame capture, it's
a 3D rendered image.  When they find that out, they are stunned.

As for the glass attributes, I don't have any perfect settings for
you but I do know that you will have to raytrace the object and you
will have to set its refractive index setting for that of glass.

Since I don't have 2.0 Toaster software (it's at the studio where I
occaisionally work) I haven't had a chance to read the manual.  I
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imagine there are some refractive index numbers for typical items.

The index of refraction tells the raytracer how much light bends when
it moves from one type of index to another.  The larger the index,
the more the bend where the two types meet.  A value of 1.0 doesn't
produce any bend at all and is the equivilent to air.  A value of 2.9
will produce a very unreal bend.  A few indices are as follows:

        Air             1.02
        Ice             1.309
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        Alcohol         1.329
        Water           1.333
        Glass           1.50
        Quartz/Salt     1.644
        Diamond         2.417

>  I have already created the object with the surfaces as follows:
>         _
>        l l     The glass has been given thickness with each side
>        l l         being double sided
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>        l l       Is this correct for producing realistic looks?
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>        l l       The real problem I am having is with the Surface
>        l           attributes.  Spec,Dif,Ref,Trans,which type of
>                    edge? trans,normal,opaque?
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>        Any help is appreciated,
>
> Thanks
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> [e-mail]
>

Sorry I can't help much with the glass settings as I've been
embroiled in flying logos of late and most all of them have been
various types of metal such as gold, chrome and the like with some
wood and marble thrown in here and there.  No glass logo's
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To do picture conversion I usually use Paint Shop Pro (running under
windows).  It can keep track of up to 32 bit color maps regardless of
your PC's display card.  it dithers quite well and you can
trim images too.  What I really like about it is you can apply
"filters" to your image, in fact you can even make up custom filters
of your own choosing. (tricky but neet)  This is a shareware program,
but NOTHING is disabled! (just a register requester pops up at the
begining)  What I don't like about it... NO IFF support, so you need
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file. (Jpeg is PD for both platforms and the PC version automatically
creates TARGA files) If you are worried about lost information set the
Q factor to 100.

On a related note, Here at work we have a color Laser plotter,
(Raster Graphics) it does up to 22x34 prints from targa files but I
can't get very good results from it at all. it does 200 DPI but it
looks like a TV when you are too close (you can see the pixels and
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To: graphics.rent.com!bobl (Bob Lindabury, SysAdm)
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> > had the machine hooked up to a regular camcorder.  They had some picts
> > off from a Laser Video Player also, that were very impressive!  They
> > took a pict of me and gave it to me.  Not a bad little machine for
> > around $1200 (not meaning to sound like an add).

Bob writes..
>
> Finally the prices are coming down.  I haven't been looking at video
> printers lately.  The last ones I saw were mostly B/W with fairly low
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> resolution and small sizes.  The last color video printer I had was a
> Hitachi and only printed 4"x5" images and cost around $2200.  It did
> an ok job but you could see the pixels.
>

I will digitize the pict on the 300 dpi scanner at work and upload the
file somewhere.  It may be in tga or tiff format though, Sorry for any
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> I strongly suggest you pickup ADPRO 2.0.  This is almost a must for
> any type of print/prepress work on the Amiga.  Its strong suit is
> batch processing of images and it will do seperations as well.  It is
> well worth the cost of admission.
>
> -- Bob

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Adam Benjamin writes:
> On a related note, Here at work we have a color Laser plotter,
> (Raster Graphics) it does up to 22x34 prints from targa files but I
> can't get very good results from it at all. it does 200 DPI but it
> looks like a TV when you are too close (you can see the pixels and
> color mixing)

Well at 200 dpi with a 768 x 480 image, anything larger than 3.8" x 2.4"
will require pixel interpolation or else the pixels will become very
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Have you tried it with a higher resolution image? If you need one, I have
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    Oh what the heck! If anyones interested I've got a startrek  *like*
    Starship available.  Email me if interested.
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    Howdy all,
         I'm interested in seeing what may be available out there in
    FTP land in the way of Object files and (  since the literature
    said it could import it) AUTOCAD (tm) files.

        On a semi-related subject, how can I create the image of
    Spray-paint leaving the can.  Thru my experiments I believe I've
    narrowed it down to the use of a bump map and transparency
    texturing.  Am I close?
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Adam Benjamin <rutgers!mi04p.zds.com!A.Benjamin> writes:

> On a related note, Here at work we have a color Laser plotter,
> (Raster Graphics) it does up to 22x34 prints from targa files but I
> can't get very good results from it at all. it does 200 DPI but it
> looks like a TV when you are too close (you can see the pixels and
> color mixing) Anyone else know anything about this plotter?
> Whats the DPI of the video printers?
> ************************************************************
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I'm not sure which TARGA you are using but the 16 uses a pixel
resolution of 512x512 maximum.  This pixel resolution is *way* to low
for a 22x34 printout.  Typically you will need to have resolutions in
the 1000's for poster size printouts or else your film recorder will
multiply (interpolate) single pixels into multiple pixels to fill the
size requirement resulting in very pixely looking images.

That is why versions of the Lightwave software have either a
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Full-Size render button or the print resolution render button.  These
will afford you the maximum resolution avialable from Lightwave for
print and film output purposes.

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I saw the question about the whiskey glass in the Toaster 2.0 image,
wondered about it myself, and used the magic of e-mail to forward
the question directly to Allen Hastings.  Here's his reply:

    I've just called up the shot glass object that I used in the Kiki
2.0 image in case you want to duplicate my settings exactly.  The
glass was modeled after one in my wife's collection, and has the
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scotch curls up a bit where it meets the glass, simulating surface
tension.  The not-so-obvious secret of the object is that each
polygon is included twice, with the two copies facing in opposite
directions and given different surfaces.  Naturally all of the Trace
options on the Camera panel were turned on for the rendering.

    The glass polygons with normals that face out from the glass
toward the air have this surface, which I called
"ShotGlassExterior":  Diffuse 0%, Specular 80%, Reflection Map 10%,
Transparency 90%, Refractive Index 1.6, Smoothing on.  All other
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attributes are left with their default values.  Note that the surface
color doesn't matter at all, since there is no diffuse reflection and
Color Highlights and Color Filter are both off.  Also note that the
Reflection Map level is really controlling the amount of ray-traced
reflected light, since the Reflected Image is set to "(none)" and the
Trace Reflection option is on.

    Those polygons that are encountered upon leaving the glass or
scotch and re-entering the air use the surface "ShotGlassInterior":
Diffuse 0%, Specular 75%, Transparency 95%, Smoothing on.  All other
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attributes for this surface keep their default values (including a
refractive index of 1.0).  And finally, those polygons that are
encountered upon entering the scotch have the surface "Liquor":
Surface Color 240 180 80, Diffuse 0%, Specular 80%, High Glossiness,
Transparency 90%, Color Filter on (very important), Refractive Index
1.4.  Once again, any items I didn't mention retain their default
settings.

    Don't think that this is the only way to model glass - in many
cases a simpler technique would be fine.  For example, light green
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surfaces with specular reflection, transparency, color filtering,
opaque edge, and a touch of reflection mapping make great beer or
wine bottles without even requiring ray tracing.  The rigorous method
of modeling refractive objects I used for the shot glass - explicitly
specifying the new refractive index for each material crossing -
should be reserved for those times when a high degree of photorealism
is required.  Longer rendering times are to be expected when ray
tracing that many layers of transparency.  Also be aware that the
physical phenomenon of total internal reflection is taken into
account by LightWave, so transparent surfaces will act like mirrors
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in certain circumstances.  This is why the very bottom of the shot
glass appears gray - it's reflecting the gray backdrop (which is not
directly visible in the image because of the wood tabletop).

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Syndesis Corporation
N9353 Benson Road
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Many of you have been calling Syndesis Corporation asking about the
new release of InterChange Plus.  Here's some news about it, plus
more information about what it can do.

Armed with this background, I hope the educated users on the networks
can come up with some novel suggestions for new features and
last-minute improvements.  I'd prefer that you send lengthy replies
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All you spies and apple-polishers out there, save this message and
pass it on to our competition.  When they copy us, we'll all know
why.  :-)

InterChange is a system for translating 3D objects.  It is an
extensible system, meaning it's a collection of multitasking tools
that cooperate to read formats and write formats, as well as
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manipulate and generate new data.  It's a batch-oriented tool, you
select a number of files in any format, select an output format,
press a button and all the files are converted.

The new release is called InterChange Plus, aka "ICP".  The interface
has changed a little bit.  We no longer open a half-dozen windows in
your face.  Instead, you can easily open and close any Converter
windows you want.  By default, you only see the main InterChange
window.  We're still 1.3 and 2.0 compatible.  ICP now uses the IEEE
math library, meaning you get a speed improvement on your
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accelerated, FPU-equipped system.

We're going to bundle together almost every Amiga-oriented 3D product
we've got into a single package.  ICP will include Converters for
LightWave objects and scenes, Imagine objects, Turbo Silver 2.0 and
3.0, Sculpt, VideoScape 1.0 and 2.0, PAGErender, Atari ST CAD-3D,
Vista DEMs, the InterFont Converter for making 3D titles and 20
InterFonts, an ImageMaster ISHAPE Converter, the Statistics Converter
for making an ASCII file describing the geometry of an object, the
Pro Draw and Aegis Draw Converters, a new Surface Converter that
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makes it easy to extract, modify and substitute surface attributes
during conversions, and Tools that manipulate objects in any format,
like PointReduce, Scale and GridSnap.

There may be a few more Converters and Tools that I'm not revealing
now.  (We've left out the Forms In Flight 1.0 Converter and the
InterFont Designer.  Sorry.)  InterFont no longer exists as a separate
product, and neither does the Turbo Silver Module Pack.

The price will increase, but the upgrade will be the difference in
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the old price and the new price.  We'll figure out an option for
people who've bought InterChange recently.  When it's ready, we'll
certainly post messages here and everywhere, send press releases to
the magazines, send out review copies to reviewers, and send out a
newsletter to all registered owners and interested potential
customers.  If you're interested, or you want to make sure we have
your correct address, please send a postcard or letter to Syndesis,
N9353 Benson Road, Brooklyn, WI 53521, or FAX [phone].

Please write or FAX, giving us your address and any product serial
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numbers.  Please do not tie up the phone with endless calls asking
when it will be ready.  We *do* want to sell you a copy, and we will
do our best to find you ASAP if you just give us a hint as to where
you are.  We're proofing the manual now and doing the final testing.
We hope to get it out in a few weeks.

We've much improved the translation of surfaces.  Where the old
InterChange had about seven different textures with colors, we now
translate RGB color, RGB reflectivity, RGB filter, diffuse, gloss,
specularity, refraction, smoothing, luminous and wireframe
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attributes, plus surface names.  We can't translate bitmaps or image
maps, sorry.  Anyone out there have a peculiar problem they'd like to
solve when it comes to mapping surface attributes from program to
program?

What other 3D tools would you like to see us develop?  Is there a
particular operation you'd love to have automated?  Some ideas:
morphing, re-centering, scaling, rotating, joining, re-coloring, etc.

Or, would it be handy if our newsletter sold a few 3D add-ons like
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Worley's books, tutorial videos, Markoya's surface and texture
products, an object disk collection, etc?

All the old limits are gone.  You can now convert objects much larger
than you could ever render in a given amount of memory with any of
today's Amiga programs.  The old InterChange has a limit of about
10,922 triangles, although that was an unfortunate side-effect we
didn't intend to introduce.  The new limits are on the order of
billions of anything.  Does this hold anyone back?

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When we convert from Imagine, we generate named surfaces for use in
programs such as LightWave.  We group all the unique collections of
settings and make all those faces parts of surfaces.  Currently, the
surface names are created from the Imagine sub-object name and a
computer-generated English color name, for example, "MAMMAL: light
orangish brown".  Surface names can be up to 64 characters long, but
they're often limited by practical concerns such as the length of the
string gadgets in LightWave's Modeler, for instance.  Some beta
testers thought the long, explicit names were a good idea, although
others have complained they'd like short and sweet names like
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"Surface 0", so we may make this an option.

When we convert to Imagine, these surfaces become 'groups' within
sub-objects, making it very easy for you to re-color groups of faces
within Imagine.  Unfortunately, we can't take your 'groups' and
convert them to surfaces, since two 'groups' can encompass the same
face.

Yes, we do read and write both LightWave objects and LightWave
scenes.  This means you can convert an Imagine hierarchical object
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directly to a LightWave scene, retaining all the hierarchy links and
relative positions of objects.  Or vice-versa.

Not everyone seems to know this, but we've been selling high-end
Converters for AutoCAD DXF, Wavefront .obj and Digital Arts .AOB for
more than a year and a half.  Yes, they cost more than ordinary
Amiga-oriented Converters, but so does AutoCAD and Wavefront.  If you
own one of these high-end converters, you'll get the ICP upgrade and
an upgraded high-end Converter for free without doing another thing.
If demand dictates, we could develop an InterChange 3D Studio
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Converter.

We're also in a unique position with the TIO system that we created
for NewTek's Toaster 2.0.  Syndesis developed the 3D Studio,
Wavefront, Swivel 3D and AutoCAD DXF import functions for LightWave
2.0, as well as the Macintosh PICT load and save tools.  With TIO,
you can load 3D data into LightWave.  TIO is extensible, meaning we
can develop and sell new TIO modules for loading new formats and new
data into LightWave.  Any requests?  Go wild, we'll make more.

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The following is copy from a Press Release on June 7, 1992

Heifner Communications
Toaster Cozzy Project


     Heifner Communications annnounces the first in a line of
high performance professional video peripherals for the Commodore
Amiga computer.  The "Toaster Cozzy' allows for the proper
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operation of a NewTek Video Toaster card in the high performance
Amiga 3000 computer.  No warranties are voided in this system, as
no modification of anyone's product is needed.  This setup will also
allow you to contiue upgrading to even more advanced Amigas as they
become available.  We just provide you with a new video cable upgrade.
While the Cozzy was designed for the Amiga 3000, it works great with a
2000 or even a 500 with an expansion video slot installed.  The Toaster
Cozzy will also allow a second video slot to be activated with a simple
upgrade later this year;  For example, allowing you to operate a GVP
IV-24 video setup along with a Video Toaster under the same Amiga.  The
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Toaster Cozzy also solves the power supply problem encountered in many
Amiga 3000 video setups.  We provide a 65 watt regulated power supply
with a "slaved instant-on" feature.  The Toaster Cozzy also provides
a stable black-burst generator with 5 BNC video output.  Everything
for the most professional and fast Video Toaster platform, ever made
available! Available early July, 1992.


Contact:   Ivan Moore
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I have been beta testing one of these systems for the past couple of
weeks.  The setup I have been using is an Amiga3000, Toaster Cozzy,
a Video Toaster2.0 card, and a Progressive Peripherals 040' accelerator.
The system is one of the most incredible Toaster Workstations
ever used. This package brings the Toaster system to a level that
it deserves.  Lighwave becomes a beautiful interactive graphics system
The wait times for checking surface attributes, or rendering test
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I don
t see too much discussion on Modeler for Lightwave, so....:-)

i never felt comfortable using Modeler for Videoscape-so i was not pleased
to find that Lightwaves modeler was based on it-(i also was not too thrilled
that Toaster paint was a version of Digipaint...but..)
I started my amiga 3D with Sculpt, and went thru Silver to Imagine, so
in some ways i felt Modeler was a step back from these modelers-
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seriously, to "give it a chance".

1. The layers are a VERY important and helpful feature-much more powerful than
Imagine's hide points-
2. The keyboard commands are very quick-mostly one key commands, rather than
command key +, and one can access much more of the modeler's power using
these keyboard commands-especially in jumping from layer to layer.

3. the statistics command is much more than an "info" button, it also allows
you to pick surfaces by name, etc.
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4.  the interactive bending, tapering, etc. is much more interactive than
Imagine's.

things i am not crazy about:

1. This whole one sided polygon business ! i know you can always just double
up the faces, but this just makes more of a mess..i just can't get used to
looking a "blank" perspective screen when i KNOW there are surfaces somewhere.

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2. The perspective window doesnt allow a static solid mode-if you want a
solid view, you have to have it swinging wildly away :_) unless i am missing
something here....

3. You cannot select surfaces in solid mode-this would be very helpful...

4. the program doesn't use Lightwave's smooth perspective view to move
gracefully around your workspace....

5. the program has crashed on me MORE than any other amiga software in a
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long time ! I have a GVP 33, 030, 8 megs 32 bit mem, etc. Is there a later
version out that is more stable ? ( i have one of the earliest 2.0 upgrades)

in short (rather long, sorry :-)) i think there is more to this Modeler than
is given credit (especially if you have never seriously sat down and used it)
, and by the same token, it could use lots of work, especially in the
stabilizing department.

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> 1. This whole one sided polygon business ! i know you can always just double
> up the faces, but this just makes more of a mess..i just can't get used to
> looking a "blank" perspective screen when i KNOW there are surfaces somewhere

The reason for one and two sided polygons ofcourse is rendering speed.
Most objects fully enclose a volume, the inside of which is never seen
unless they are transparent. With one sided polygons, the software can
easily determine that a polygon is not visible before rendering and reduce
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the surfaces menu is perhaps better than doubling up polys in the modeler.
As for not displaying the wrong side of a one sided poly in the modeler,
it is important that it does not display the flip side as it will not be
visible when rendering either. Perhaps there should be a switch though
similar to the one in surfaces for viewing.

> 5. the program has crashed on me MORE than any other amiga software in a
> long time ! I have a GVP 33, 030, 8 megs 32 bit mem, etc. Is there a later
> version out that is more stable ? ( i have one of the earliest 2.0 upgrades)

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I can crash LightWave completely at will but Modeler has been totally
stable for me. Under what circumstances does it crash? The last fatal
action for Modeler I recall was the infamous Layer 8 GURU. I thought I
remember that being fixed though.
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I'd have to agree with Kevin Kodama's comments on LW Modeler. Once you get
familiar with the keyboard commands and with using layers, Modeler becomes
very productive.

In the same light, I'll go out on a limb and say that ToasterPaint deserves
a lot more credit than it gets. So what if the method of painting is damn
ugly? It lets me get the job done, and it's very responsive on the 2500
I use at work. For compositing multiple images it works very well. For
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the image with the toaster and also the image of a local Ice Cream shop.
I then cut out the store and pasted it onto the iceberg. A little "bluring"
around the edge and I had a stunningly realistic image created. It took less
than 15 minutes. The two biggest things I see missing from TP is a real brush
resizing tool (one like in DCTV Paint would be great) and the ability to
remove color "0" from a specified section of and image. Anyway, I digress,
since this is a LightWave mail list.

One thing I'd like to see in the next release of LightWave (no big deal,
this should be real simple) would be a single-line "ray" which protrudes
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light in your scene, you could get a much better idea of where the center
of the light will hit without doing a test render.

One last thing - Did anyone notice that If you've got a scene set up with
say.....3 light sources and you make two of them dim (say 20-30%) and a
spot light with 100% intensity you're likely to get a nice bright,
contrasting spot on your scene where the spot light hits an object (assuming
the object has a reasonable level of Diffuse) - at least in Medium Res,
no shadow tracing. But when you render the same scene in High Res with
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shadow tracing on, this noticable border between the light and dark areas
is greatly reduced - enough to lose that "dramatic" lighting effect. How
can I compensate for this lighting difference between my test images (in Low
or Med res) and my final render in High Res with Shadow Tracing?

Colin Stuckless
FutureVision Ltd.
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PS. I've only had Modeler lock up on me a handful of times. One time it
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to phone NewTek and advise them of this error. Anyone else get this before?
The numbers weren't aligned properly with their place in the "box" and they
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> One thing I'd like to see in the next release of LightWave (no big deal,
> this should be real simple) would be a single-line "ray" which protrudes
> from the center of the lights in layout. This way, if you have a "spot"
> light in your scene, you could get a much better idea of where the center
> of the light will hit without doing a test render.

One of the new features in layout for the next release is a view through
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Hi cstuckless (cstuckless), in <[e-mail]> on Jun 17 you wrote:

: In the same light, I'll go out on a limb and say that ToasterPaint deserves
: a lot more credit than it gets. So what if the method of painting is damn
: ugly? It lets me get the job done, and it's very responsive on the 2500
: I use at work. For compositing multiple images it works very well.
    Well I have to disagree, totaly. Having used DIGIPAINT in the
earlier New Tek days (still use it sometimes for smooth ham fills) and
having alot of experience with the program I find toaster paint totaly
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New Tek do not like it.
    I friend of mine working on a very important project MTV had to do
a nice smooth blend.. well that was impossible with toaster paint. He had
to do it in something else. Photoshop on that day!
    I suggest for you to try and use DCTV paint from Digital Creations
and maybe even TV Paint. That is alot more intuitive then Toaster Paint
anyday.

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: One thing I'd like to see in the next release of LightWave
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    Well one thing that I have been told by someone at New Tek is that
in Toaster software release 3.0 Toaster Paint will be totaly redone to be
able to draw in 24 bits on screen and be very intuitive. I hope this
little rumor comes true.
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[Since we're branching out beyond LW...]

A useable ToasterPaint would be nice.  I'd also like to see the CG
totally redone.

I accidentally hit Shift-Esc instead of Shift-F1 the other day, and
lost ten screens of work.  [I know, save after every screen.  If there
were a `Save' button someplace in the CG, I would.  But to save you
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I'd like to see accents to permit composing characters.  [I know,
there are international fonts available, but it's ridiculous that
NewTek's software doesn't include them.]

I'd like to see the ability to change fonts and colors on a line.
[Even if I had a limit of 2 or 4 per line.  At least give me two or
four colors on a scroll page -- it would be nice to be able to put
people's names in white and their titles in red, for instance.]

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I'd like to be able to have negative leading between lines.

I'd like "continuous" control over the speed of scroll and crawl pages.


Most of all, I'd like a programmers library so that if NewTek doesn't
write better CG and paint software, I can spin my own.

- Andrew

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Yury German writes:

>    Well I have to disagree, totaly. Having used DIGIPAINT in the
>earlier New Tek days (still use it sometimes for smooth ham fills) and
>having alot of experience with the program I find toaster paint totaly
>redicilous. I know you want to give it credit but alot of people even at
>New Tek do not like it.

  I also used DigiPaint in the "early" days, but I don't understand
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isn't? TP is DigiPaint - except in 24 bits. Now if you're saying that
you didn't like DigiPaint, then I guess you're not going to like TP
either.

>    I friend of mine working on a very important project MTV had to do
>a nice smooth blend.. well that was impossible with toaster paint. He had
>to do it in something else. Photoshop on that day!

   Using variable levels of transparency along with rubthru mode can
create some great "blends" between two images. Now if you were
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refering to a nice smooth gradiant, then you need to adjust the
transparency control as well - or else you're going to have a hot spot
in the middle. For a nice, full screen gradiant, you simple select
range mode, and horizontal transparency - and move the hotspot bar all
the way to the top or bottom. But is you're familiar with DigiPaint,
then you already know this.

>    I suggest for you to try and use DCTV paint from Digital Creations
>and maybe even TV Paint. That is alot more intuitive then Toaster Paint
>anyday.
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  I use DCTV paint from time to time, as it's brush resizing and
manipulation tools are very slick. Have you used TV Paint? The
articles I've read about it are very favorable - but are you
recommending it based on the write ups alone?

  I'm not saying ToasterPaint is God's gift to paint packages - I'm
just saying that anyone who takes one glimpse at it and says it's crap
simply doesn't know what they're talking about. The results I have right
here on my hard drive prove that.
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  Enough about TP - I was wondering, what is the easiest way to convert
the Imagine and TTDDD objects that are found on Hubcap.clemson.edu,
for use in Lightwave? Does Interchange handle both formats? Are there
any pd or shareware converters I could try?


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I created a brushmap in Toasterpaint, using the set grid command to
limit the size to 64 x 64. watched the coordinates carefully as i cut out
the brush,saved the brush, went into Lightwave. Load the image, surprise !
the image is 96x64 ! Back to Toasterpaint, recut the brush, DEFINITELY
64x64 according to the coordinates. Back to LW, load image-again, 96x64.

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> I created a brushmap in Toasterpaint, using the set grid command to
> limit the size to 64 x 64. watched the coordinates carefully as i cut out
> the brush,saved the brush, went into Lightwave. Load the image, surprise !
> the image is 96x64 !

> Any ideas on why this should be so ?

Oh thats easy....Toasterpaint SUX. Well it has improved with 2.0 (I haven't
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For those interested, check out the letters pages of this months
Macworld. *Our* Mark Thompson has a letter and accompanying
picture printed ! Mark does his bit to promote Lightwave as an

alternative rendering package-and shows his version of the test
lamp image Macworld used to compare renderers on the Mac....

On a related note, Design*Net, formerly microcad news, is running
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May issue were Electric Image, Stratavision, and Ray Dream-The
electric image demos were interesting in their very fast render times
and their relatively IMHO poor images and of course the outrageous
price 7500 dollars !

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Is it possiblel to install a Toaster into an A3000?  This would be much cheap
for me than buying a separate accelerated A2000 just for the Toaster.

Any info, particularly from anyone who has done this, is greatly
appreciated.

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Yes it is possible to install a Toaster in the A3000 you have to cut some of the
rear end off so the toaster board will fit into the video slot,or you might try
the Toaster Cozzy expansion box that sits atop of the A3000.

The A3000 that I work with has had the video toaster installed for more than a year
with out any problems from either the toaster or the A3000.

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Isn't there a problem with the Toaster software and the A3000.  I don't think
it works under 2.0 and with the newer Denise chip.  Is this fixed in the
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No problem with the Toaster software runs great under WB 2.04 and works with the
1950 multi sync monitor. thats Toaster 2.0 release by the way. New Tek will void
the warranty of the Toaster by the way if you should decide to put it inside an
A3000. You can also install a PP&S Mercury 040 card along with the Toaster,
Lightwave rips. The A3000 that run our Toaster is one of the first A3000 out,
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>Is it possible to install a Toaster into an A3000?  This would
>be much cheaper for me than buying a separate accelerated A2000
>just for the Toaster.

You should look into the Toaster Cozzy that was promoted on nearly
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> > For those interested, check out the letters pages of this months
> > Macworld. *Our* Mark Thompson has a letter and accompanying
> > picture printed !
>
> And if you are interested in how the image was created, I have a detailed
> article in this months Video Toaster User (formerly Breadbox) which fully
> describes all the steps involved in its creation. By the way, my letter
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> reference to the Mac-Toaster as an "Amiga in disguise". But the way they
> reworded it, they made it sound like there is a new Toaster that is not
> Amiga based. Oh well...

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File listing as of Thu Jul 09 05:00:15 1992

Files in directory /public/jpeg/mt:

blender.jpg    54570   12-Dec-91   Image of a blender in the kitchen
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city.jpg       49039   10-Dec-91   Ominous looking city
f15.jpg        38698   10-Dec-91   Image of an F15 and a helecopter
grnhouse.jpg   22866   10-Dec-91   A greenhouse under a glass dome in space
hurc_lmp.jpg  131215   31-Jan-92   No description on file
it.jpg         51968   10-Dec-91   Image relating to the Stephen King novel
laser.jpg      30949   10-Dec-91   Satellite in space firing a laser beam
office.jpg     70667   10-Dec-91   Wide shot of an office with hanging picture
ofice135.jpg   44129   10-Dec-91   Nicely done rendering of an office scene
park.jpg       54832   10-Dec-91   Tree and trashcan in a park
pool.jpg      100138   10-Dec-91   Anyone for a swim!  Pool w/waves, walk, etc.
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tapedeck.jpg   47551   10-Dec-91   Reel-to-reel tapedeck lit by colored lights
toyroom.jpg    83111   10-Dec-91   View of a room with lots of toys about
xmas_ccc.jpg   73028   10-Dec-91   CCC logo and holidy greetings


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Is the Sony 9650 the current "best" VTR for single frame recording for
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Well, seems I've been up to my ears in flying logos lately..especially
since the video house I am connected with is running a special on 3D
flying logos for $1000 a pop.  These are obviously just quick and dirty
logos but it's still fun to fiddle around with a couple of techniques.

One thing I was wondering was how I could get streaks or some blur on
one of my objects easily.  Since LW doesn't do the bluring except on
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object a bluring, streaked apperance as it flys into position.  Has
anyone tried this and is it a reasonable way to get the motion blur
effect on an object or must I resort to a few copies of my object,
transparency and other such effects for the desired result?

What I'm looking for is a quick and dirty way to get the effect that
isn't going to cost me much production time.

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but I was also looking for a kind of slash effect.  Would I have to
build an object in front of the spotlight with a narrow slit and then
parent that to the light (or null object) and cast the slit of light on
the letters that way?  Any help would be apreciated.

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> On another note, I would like to animate a sheen across the letters of a
> logo once the logo hits it's position.  What's the best way to do this?
> I was thinking of a spot light animated to cast light across the logo
> but I was also looking for a kind of slash effect.  Would I have to
> build an object in front of the spotlight with a narrow slit and then
> parent that to the light (or null object) and cast the slit of light on
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Try putting two planes close together with a light inbetween, like blinders.
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You could also use in Image Processing program like Imagemaster to give
specific area a shine. You can animate the shine values across any set of
frames...it is really cool.

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-rw-r--r--  1 lightwave       3430 Jan  6  1992 BADGE;3
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-rw-r--r--  1 lightwave      13354 Jan  6  1992 a3001.bugs;4
-rw-r--r--  1 lightwave       2313 Oct 28  1991 ab20.ftp;5
-rw-r--r--  1 lightwave      17253 Jan 21  1992 accellerators;5
-rw-r--r--  1 lightwave       4672 May 25 22:17 amiga.history;5
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-rw-r--r--  1 lightwave         84 Jan  6  1992 bread.box;6
-rw-r--r--  1 lightwave       3380 Jan  6  1992 cdrom.drivers;6
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-rw-r--r--  1 lightwave       3956 Jan 21  1992 fish.disks;2
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I just got my Toaster running last night....it's soooo cool!.  I now have a
Amiga 3000 with 18 Mb RAM, 395 Mb Hd, a FC 24, and a Toaster.  I'm quite
impressed with the toaster and Lightwave, it makes an interesting contrast
from Imagine.

Now, if I can just spare the time to learn th esoftware....I've already got
a friend at a video lab who wants me to do some animations for him, all I've
got to do is lean how!

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...and what ever does. <gri>

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I've tried to remove myself from this mailing list several times to no avail.
Now I'm getting these wierd undeliverable messages when I haven't even tried
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Sorry for all the tests..this will allow posts to the old address to be
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-- Bob

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Please try to do something about this horrific bounce problem. I'm
getting feedback loops now, where I have four messages, each having
all the other messages in it, so one has error, the next one has
error error, the next one has error error error... etc.

Shut down or something, cos it's driving me nuts and bumping up my
download bill. Resign me. DO SOMETHING! ARGH! <fx: falls over and
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First of all I would like to say that I'm sorry about the problems we've
been experiencing the last week with the list.  I was *trying* to
improve upon list management with new mail-server software.  Obviously
there was a bug in it somewhere.

I did quite a few tests prior to setting up the distribution list using
the entire membership roster.  These tests seemed to work fine.  Of
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all of you and the list as well.  Since this same bouncing address was
in the list distribution, it doubled and tripled and so on.

I have been *very* busy at other things besides working on the list or
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problem and my taking care of it.  This lag time was about 3 days.  In
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I have received some mail from a few of the list members which appears
to be less than understanding of either the Internet and mailers or of
what maintaining a mailing list requires of the administrator in time
and resources.  This dismays me.  I don't react well to insults, demands
and downright rudeness.

I suggest that everyone try to accept my apologies for the problems and
those that felt a need to berate me with negative messages take a few
moments and try to understand that fixes don't happen immediately on the
Internet.  Messages that have been queued have to be flushed and this
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takes time.

The problem is fixed and any further testing will be done on very small
distribution lists and not with the membership listing.

Thanks for your time.

Bob Lindabury - Lightwave 3D mail-list administrator

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Remove me from this list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Don't blame me! I didn't do anything! It's the ruddy Lightwave mail
list doing it. Some sod in Canada bounced a message and it's whizzing
around all over the Net. ARGH!

It should hopefull stop soon, once the guy at the other end realises
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On the Imagine news-list, Kevin Kodama asked about 3D Studio and its
"World Creation Toolkit" CD-ROM...  I thought this might interest the
LightWave group, too.  We've got 3D Studio here at Syndesis.  It's a
very nice package, you do get what you pay for, at $3000.

The interface is sure to please everyone - it's got menus on the top,
AutoCAD-style menus on the right side, icon buttons elsewhere, and a
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points and triangles within a wireframe view area, too.  They've got
a lot of tools available in the program, but each takes a little time
to understand.  Anyone used to Imagine wouldn't have too hard a time,
I think.  Besides, they include a very nice, very thick manual full
of examples.

The CD-ROM is a wonderful thing, too.  I know NewTek is eyeing CD-ROM
for future Toaster releases, it makes so much sense for programs like
these that thrive on data, samples, objects, texture maps,
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you can load them into the Toaster because of the 3D Studio
translator that we licensed to NewTek.  If you want to get them to
Imagine, we haven't quite got an easy path for you yet, but we're
considering it.

You can always load those objects into a Toaster, save them as
LightWave objects and then convert to Imagine using InterChange
Plus.  With this translation path, you'll lose any hierarchies, but
all the nice named surfaces will be translated intact.  If/when we
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you'll be able to preserve the hierarchies, of course.  So far, we
haven't had much demand for 3D Studio translation apart from the
LightWave crowd, but we'd do it if we had enough requests.

3D Studio's ancestry goes back to CAD-3D from the Atari ST.  Tom
Hudson is one of the principal creators behind both products, along
with other notables such as Dan Silva and Jim Kent.  Gary Yost,
formerly of Antic Software and Publishing, heads the "Yost Group",
these people who now work on 3D Studio for Autodesk.

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You can read the 3D Studio CD-ROM on an Amiga.  See my recent
articles in AmigaWorld.  They're ISO-9660 discs with DOS-style
filenames, which the Amiga can certainly handle.  ;-)  You can load
them directly from within LightWave, right off the CD-ROM.  A lot of
the texture maps are in GIF format, 256 colors.  Other images might
be in TIFF or Targa format, but you can handle those on the Amiga,
too, with the right programs.

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> Thats enough!!!! I keep getting your bounced messages.... -Russ
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Now come on Russ,

Do you really think I would have sent off that many mesgs?  It was that
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I'm still trying. sorry.
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Are you complaining about the bouncing messages to me personally?  I keep
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I'm afraid there's no good but cheap method of achieving generalized motion
blur.  I have seen compositing used for that purpose, but it will cost you
in rendering time.  For example, you could design your scene to have four
times as many frames as it will ultimately have (for example, spread out
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4 of the raw 600 frame scene, evenly blended (the whole process could be
automated using ADPro driven by ARexx).  I don't think you'll have much
success with using particles along edges.  Of course the latest development
version of LightWave has general motion blur built in but you'll have to
wait a few months for that...

A slash of light glinting across your logo is very easy to achieve however.
The key is to observe that such glints are not caused by diffuse reflection
(shining a slitted spotlight on something) but rather by specular (mirror-
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reflection mapping.  So what you need to do is to paint a slash into the
middle of the image that will be used as the reflection map for the logo.
The slash should be fairly small, since only a small portion of the image
will be reflected off the flat face of the logo, so the reflected image
should be fairly high-res (to avoid seeing pixels along the slash).  If you
want the glint to move across the letters even after the logo has stopped
rotating, you can lock the camera and logo together by parenting them both
to a null object and rotating the null object.  It will look like the logo
has stopped, but really the whole universe (except for the reflection map)
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Well, I've been working on yet another job for the corporate industrial
world and have found a few items that would make working with Lightwave
a bit easier.  A few items I would love to see in the next version would
be:

1. The ability to toggle hidden line removal on and off in the scene
layout.  It becomes very difficult to understand just what the heck is
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2. Indication of where a spotlight is actually shining and indication of
the falloff angle.

3. An interactive way to change an objects axis of rotation.  This may
just be my ineptness but it seems difficult to rotate and object around
a world coordinate and at the same time rotate it around a local axis.
Maybe someone can enlighten me on this subject.

I have 29 cloned finger-like rectangular (like stonehedge) objects that
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the Y axis.  As these fingers are spinning, 5 of them must "hinge" at
the base and fall inward to form a cone.  This is rotation around the
local X axis of about 45 degrees.

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4. Bending, twisting and other deformations in the scene layout.

5. Support for JPEG files

6. Support for 8-bit IFF or GIF files.  Why this isn't in there I'll
never know.  I tried to load an 8-bit 800x600 IFF texture map and the
software just choked.

This isn't really a Lightwave item but I would love to see a way to just
load 24bit IFF files into the Toaster *without* having to run
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just to load some images into the buffer.

I would like to be able to generate either IFF or JPEG images from
Lightwave and then single frame these images to tape or disk but without
an IFF or JPEG reader for the Toaster, we have to store Framestores
which take up *way* too much disk space.  Jobs are spanning several
88meg Syquest carts when they don't need to.  We are finding we have to
budget in the cost of a couple of carts for each job we do and that adds
to the overhead.



So, that's just a few items I would like to see.  There are a ton of
others for the modeler and for Lightwave but these were just the quick
ones off the top of my head based on the past couple of jobs we've done.

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I know! This list have a tendency to loop and repeat. I think I've gotten
more bounces from this list than actual messages.
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can somebody explain the way the Lightwave mail list works in simple
terms because I think a lot of misunderstandings are arising from
people replying to messages (thinking they will get to bob) when in
fact they are going to the last person who sent the messgae and they
take it personally.

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Phil South <rutgers!cix.clink.co.uk!snouty> writes:

>
> can somebody explain the way the Lightwave mail list works in simple
> terms because I think a lot of misunderstandings are arising from
> people replying to messages (thinking they will get to bob) when in
> fact they are going to the last person who sent the messgae and they
> take it personally.
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> Snouty@cix
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Ok..maybe that is part of the problem.

The mail list currently is just an address at my machine bobsbox.
All mail sent to [e-mail] is fed into an archive
for posts and then mailed to all members of the list by pulling in
the addresses from the membership file.  The articles posted to the
list are sent as simple mail from the originator to all members of
the list.  The return address is usually the sender of the original
message.  If another members mail bounces due to and address or
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the originator of the article.

Replies made with most mail programs will result in a piece of mail
being sent to the originator of the article unless the address is
manually changed to [e-mail].

This is how the list was running for the past year or so.  Recently I
changed a few things around with some new mail-server software I had
been testing.  This was suppose to knock off the bounces to each
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individual and allow for simply replies to be sent directly to the
list without the need to manually enter the lightwave list address
because the reply-to: address was the mailing list address.

However, due to a problem with a mailer somewhere (and possible
mail-server bugs) a single bounced message was sent back to the list
which then resulted in the bounce being distributed as an article.
This again was sent to the bad address which then copied the bounce
and bounced it back again and so on and so fourth until I killed the
message, the bad address, and switched back to the original method of
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The problem with lists such as these is that it is mail-based meaning
you get list articles piled in with your regular mail and sometimes
it's hard to figure out what's what.  With the mail-server software,
this was suppose to be reduced due to the numerous lightwave-l
headers in the message and the ability for users to automatically
reply to the list address.

What was happening was that people were replying (as normal) but the
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new messages were sending these replies to the list and not to the
sender as expected.  So, we received alot of complaints about the
list on the list when I probably should have gotten them in personal
mail.

Anyway, I will be working on the server software on a small local
test distribution list that will not affect the list at all.  Once I
am *sure* that it's going to work as planned I will post a message
stating the advantages and what's in store and then give a week
before implementation of the mail-server.  You all will have that
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I hope this helps you all understand what happens a little bit more
with mailing lists.

-- Bob

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Anybody read the April issue of Video Systems??  There's an article about the
new Silicon Graphics Indigo...a hot machine...you need to spend >15,000 to
gget one that does 24 bit color!

The most amusing thing about the article is the schematic which shows how to
do desktop video on the beast...of course, it plugs into a Video Toaster!

State of the art...spend 15K and you have to buy a Toaster to make the thing
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> This isn't really a Lightwave item but I would love to see a way to just
> load 24bit IFF files into the Toaster *without* having to run
> ToasterLackOfPaint.  I don't like the overhead of running ToasterPaint
> just to load some images into the buffer.
>
> I would like to be able to generate either IFF or JPEG images from
> Lightwave and then single frame these images to tape or disk but without
> an IFF or JPEG reader for the Toaster, we have to store Framestores

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loaded into LW               ^you're
Sometimes I'll just load the image (either flavor) into LW make it a
bgrd. and do a quick render with no objects... a little convoluted but
does not require, as you so gracefully put it "ToasterLackOfPaint."

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I know this is a bit off topic, but I don't know where else to ask,
and besides, it can't be as bad as the wave of bouncing posts a
few weeks back...

We are using a toaster with Amilink for editing on SVHS.  We have
a Panasonic 7750 for recording and a 7650 as a source.  We are
constantly getting a blurred image from the decks where ever there
is motion.  Adjusting the built in TBCs (turning the brightness
down) seems to help, but it doesn't eliminate the problem entirely.
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I welcome suggestions as to what is the problem and how to fix it.
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                    Peter Barella
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Would anyone happen to have the needed record string for a Panasonic 7750
S-VHS Edit VTR? I'd like to run the Amiga serial port directly to the
9-pin Panasonic controller port for automatic single frame recording.

Also, the Toaster manual mentions 2 demo scenes included in Toaster 2.0.
They're "SpaceshipAttack" and "FightersApproach." Now that I've
recently upgraded my Amiga (to '030/50MHz and 8M 32-bit RAM), I can
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A small scene (SpaceFighters), which receives a one sentence mention in
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Calvin College Video Productions      |Compuserve: 72020,3342
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The "bluring" problem is due to the Noise Reduction you probably have turned
on in the 7650 and 7750.... If you are editing s-vhs camera material to an
edit master you should have both the Y DNR and C DNR on OFF on both the 7650
and 7750... Those switches are located on the push out panel... DNR should
only be used when you have a BAD original... like a vhs source or
something...cuz' if you have a good original its basically digitizing the
tape which accounts for a bluring/strobing type look.... Also do not use
multiple passes on DNR tapes....If you have used DNR on when editing a
source tape to a master..and you now need to use that master for dubs or
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Steven:  I believe the Panasonic 7750 supports the Sony protocol and a
Panasonic one.  The Sony protocol is propietary, and licensed only to
manufacturers of edit controllers and such (I've never seen it posted.)

Don't know about the Panasonic protocol.  Might try their service center,
somewhere in NJ (sorry don't have the number.)

Maybe this will be a little help,

Elmer Beachley [e-mail]
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 Hi, I am a computer-graphics interested student. I want to accede
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 my email address is:
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This is just to see if my postings work.  I sent a letter earlier describing
Fighter Duel Pro Flight Recorder.  I never saw it on my mail list after that.

so,

check.....check....is anybody out there?

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|Don't know about the Panasonic protocol.  Might try their service center,
|somewhere in NJ (sorry don't have the number.)

Here are some Panasonic numbers that I've got:

Panasonic Industrial Video - Jim Aclearo : 201-348-7394
Panasonic Industrial Video - Ted Comboy, Ntl. Sales Mgr. : 201-348-4018
Panasonic Technical Nor Cal - Al Turner : 916-928-9611

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Hi all,

Jaeger Software Inc. is releasing an interactive motion path generator for
Lightwave 3D.  It will be available this November.  The official announcement
follows........

TITLE

    Fighter Duel Pro Flight Recorder
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VERSION DATE

    November 1991


DESCRIPTION

    Fighter Duel Pro Flight Recorder is the first interactive motion path
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    the Fighter Duel World War II flight simulator series, while adding the
    ability to create realistic and complex object motion paths for use in
    NewTek's Lightwave 3D software.

    One of the most difficult and time consuming aspects of 3D animation is
    motion.  FDPro Flight Recorder replaces the tedious methoud of hand
    plotting flying motion paths with a flight simulator you control.
    Flight Recorder records the flight path of up to three (3) aircraft
    engaged in maneuvers or dogfighting.  Positional information has a
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    into Lightwave 3D to accurately animate flying objects, the camera
    viewpoint, aircraft, spacecraft, flying logos, etc.......

    You may fly solo against computer controlled opponents or interactively
    with another person via modem or null modem cable.

    FDPro Flight Recorder also has the ability to simultaneously generate
    Fighter Duel Pro Demo Reels that can be used to review your solo flights

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SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS

    FDPro Flight Recorder will run on any Amiga with 3 megs of RAM and
    Kickstart 1.2 or higher.  A hard drive is recommended.


AUTHORS

    Jaeger Software, Inc.
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     Matt Shaw


AVAILABILITY

    Release date for FDPro Flight Recorder is November 1992.  The list price
    is US $79.95

    Owners of Fighter Duel Pro may upgrade to FDPro Flight Recorder by
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    for US $25.00 (including shipping), and disk #1 of FDPro, to:

        Jaeger Software, Inc., Direct Sales Department
        7800 White Cliff Terrace
        Rockville, MD 20855


DISTRIBUTABILITY

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    Fighter Duel Pro Flight Recorder is copyright 1992 Jaeger Software, Inc.



Jeff Hanna
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Studio J Video Productions
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Ron Thornton did two versions of the scene now called SpaceFighters.  The
two versions had those earlier names you mentioned, and when they were
combined into one scene and renamed, the manual apparently wasn't updated.

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Greetings, not sure who this may be of interest to, if anybody,
so I will post it and you can do what you will with the info.  :-)

Today saw the arrival of a letter from Alpha Video and advertised
the following courses. Alpha Video is the local video hotshots who
also sell other Amiga stuffings as well as pro-video doohickeys.

'CLASSES OFFERED:

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Video Toaster Overview: Full day session $395. Sept 1, 22nd and Oct. 13th.
    This full day course is designed for people who have just purchased
    their Video Toaster or are interested in this exciting new (sic)
    product and need a comprehensive overview. This class will cover all
    aspects of the Video Toaster.

LightWave 3D Part I: 1/2 day session $195  Sept 2 and Oct 14
    This half day session will familiarize you with the basic operation
    of LightWave 3D. This class is designed for those who have never
    used a 3D program or have been frustrated while trying to use one.
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LightWave 3D part II: 1/2 day session $195   Sept 3 and Oct 15
    This half day session is a continuation of LightWave 3D part I.
    You will learn how to create impressive graphics and animations and
    discover easy and time saving ways to record your animations to
    videotape.

LightWave Modeler: Full day session  $395  Sept 23
    This class will show you the power of the Toaster Modeler. You
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    them in animations and framestores, how to you layers effectively,
    and what to do when your object doesn't render properly.

Toaster Paint Part I:  1/2 day session  $195  Sept 2 and Oct 14
    This half day session is aimed primarily at people who have had
    little or no experience with video painting systems and what
    to learn how to utilize this impressive part of the Video Toaster.
    Basic video painting techniques and rules will be explained.

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Toaster Paint Part II:  1/2 day session  $195   Sept 3 and Oct 5
    This half day session will pick up where Part I left off. You
    will learn how to use brushes, rub through, and how to integrate
    the Toaster character generator program. Toaster Paint I and II
    are a must if you want to create eye catching graphics and stills.

Toaster Switcher and Character Generator:  1/2 day session  $195  Sept 23
    This course will teach you how to combine multiple effects using
    the Switcher. It will also answer the question "Why is there a
    sheep wipe?" The character generator will be explored in depth.
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    After this session, you will know how to create rolls, crawls,
    and framestore pages.


The Video Toaster is an extremely powerful tool. It has been likened to
a stealth bomber, with most people flying it like a piper cub. Alpha Video
can take you out of the piper cub and put you into the cockpit of
the stealth bomber. All it takes is a few days of your time. The classes
are taught by Alpha Video's leading Toaster users and experts. Classes
are limited to six people. Everyone will have a Video Toaster Workstation.
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Alpha Video is the nation's leading Video Toaster dealer.
For more information call Jay Critzer at [phone]'


I neither work for Alpha Video nor gain anything from exposing them
to the net. They are where *I* bought my Toaster, but that is neither
here nor there. This is where John Gross of "Video Toaster User" is
employed. It is presented here exactly as I received it for your
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> Ron Thornton did two versions of the scene now called SpaceFighters.  The
> two versions had those earlier names you mentioned, and when they were
> combined into one scene and renamed, the manual apparently wasn't updated.
>
> - Allen Hastings
>

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combine them to form a single scene for continuity and timing
purposes.

There doesn't seem to be an easy way to do this in Lightwave.  Is it
possible to add (to ver. 3.0) a way to "append" another scene to the
end of a previous scene and have it automatically "ripple" the
keyframes and such based on the users beginning frame number input?

At this point it seems that we must manually edit the scripts to
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motion files format is documented?  I need to edit the scripts and I
didn't find the format description in the 2.0 manual or addendum.

While I'm at it there are a few other items that would be nice if
added to a new version of Lightwave...

        o Object load requesters should allow us to pick multiple
          objects at one time by holding the shift key or something
          similar.  This will speed up the loading of say 25-30


          objects in a single scene.

        o Motion paths, motion paths, motion paths. <grin>  It would
          be nice to have interactive (viewable) paths in the scene
          layout.  Ones that can be bent and twisted to our desires.

        o While toggling through some of the selectors works in most
          cases, there are times when you don't want to have to go
          around the world to get to a surface or object.  Especially
          when you have around 50 objects or surfaces to toggle
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          with a list of surfaces (possibly grouped by object) to
          choose from.  The same can be said of some other selectors.

        o Once again, when loading objects the requestor should retain
          the previously entered information such as directory, place
          where the scroll was left at as well as the previously
          entered object/surface/whatever name.  This will reduce the
          time it takes to load several multiple objects.

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        o Full-frame scene layout option.  Hopefully with the advent
          of hidden line removal, interactive motion paths and the
          viewable/editable spotlight cone angles will come a toggle
          for a full screen view mode of the scene layout.

        o Additional texture maps in the same vein as Essence for that
          other 3D program. <grin>

        o Motion Blur

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        o Unload Modeler..erg.

        o An option to create a typical Amiga delta animation for
          previews.  I wouldn't care if it was low-res 32/64 color
          or HAM but it would be better than having to run ADAM or
          REND24 in the background.  It should be a simple matter
          (for the user) to create a colored preview for the client
          to approve of for motion, lighting AND typical surfaces
          without jumping through too many hoops.  We shouldn't have
          to rely on a bunch of third party software to do this.
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Well, I guess I will close for now.  I'm sure I have alot more items
to add to the list (especially for Modeler) but I need to get back to
work.  Maybe someone else has a few items they would like to add to
the list seeing as how it seems that 3.0 is being worked on now.

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Hi,

I have just completed a 30 second Scenery Animator II animation (recorded out
to .iff24 frames).  I would like to convert these to Framestores, so I can
render them to tape by using "play frames" in Lightwave 3D.  I figured I would
use the RGB2FS.rexx program in the AREXX_examples directory.  I load the
Toaster, bring up ToasterPaint, and get back to my shell.  I type in the
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who was it that wanted the serial port commands?
I have a Panasonic PC-VCR and could send you the commands
for that.  I would imagine the two machines would have the
same command set.  I forgot who originally asked, and it's
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Jeff Hanna writes:
> I have just completed a 30 second Scenery Animator II animation (recorded out
> to .iff24 frames).  I would like to convert these to Framestores, so I can
> render them to tape by using "play frames" in Lightwave 3D.

I also tried to use the ARexx code for batch conversion with similar results.
A call to NewTek service yielded little help. They basically said Toaster
Paint is hosed and getting the ARexx converters to work with it is iffy
at best. They reccommended using LW instead. If you are unfamiliar with
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Go into LightWave and load your IFFs as an Image Sequence (just give
the file name prefix). They will have to be named something like:
pic001, pic002, pic003, etc. Then in the Background window/menu, select
that sequence as your background image. Next set camera resolution to
medium resolution and overscan on. Now in the Scene window, enter the
appropriate start and end frame numbers. Finally, in the Record window,
you can either use Save Frames or have it record the frames to the VCR
on the fly. Kick it all off by hitting Render in automatic mode. With
my Zeus card, this takes about 10 seconds per frame (about the same time
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> How do you use this rexx script?
> Is there any certain way I should name the .iff24 files?

Name the files as described above. If you do get the script to work, I would
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Another suggestion when using Scenery Animator for a background sequence is
that when you save your iff 24 frames individually, Scenery Animator will
give each frame a 4 digit numerical name. For a Lightwave background
sequence, will Scenery Animator files will have to have the 4 digit numbers
reduced to a 3 digit number, which is easy to do with most directory
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> >         o Unload Modeler..erg.
>
> Do you not like the shift-click trick?

Ah..er...did I miss something in the manual??  I didn't know you
could unload Modeler.   What do we do?  Hold down the shift key and
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Oh, it would also be nice to have more configurable options in the
lw-config file such as "capacity".  I constantly drop the capacity
down everytime I go into LW these days so that I can load longer
scenes into the layout for previews without lopping off frames.

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Those are good suggestions, and in fact many of them have already been
implemented.  I'm puzzled why you're asking for the ability to unload
Modeler though, since that's already in 2.0.  The Modeler button works just
like the "slice" buttons in the Switcher - you click a ghosted button to
load the program, and shift-click it to unload the program from memory (it
becomes ghosted again).

- Allen Hastings

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If you have a sequence of images that you want to use with LightWave (for
recording or whatever) and they have four digit frame numbers, it's not
necessary to rename the files to have three digits in their names - just add
a zero to the prefix name of the image sequence ("pic0" instead of "pic" for
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What I want to know is when NewTek will let you recompile Lightwave for the
Vivid 24....????   Put in the good word...Tell them I'll even keep my two
toasters....
Christopher

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There has been a change in the dates of some of the
Alpha Video Training classes.

Contact Alpha Video for an update, or if someone is
interested, let it be known and I will post the
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    Hello to all on the lightwave mailing list.  Just a quick intro
before i get down to buisness.  My name's Mike, and I have for some time
been using Impulses Imagine 2.0 software.  I have also had for some time
the ability to use lightwave, though i never played with it until a
couple weeks ago.

    I now have a few basic questions as I am trying to see what the
good and bad points are between sticking with Imagine, or going with
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Lightwave, or using a mix.  For one thing, the "apparent" lack of
features in LW's modeler is a little daunting when compared to all the
power I know i have in Imagine.  (Note I say apparent since I KNOW you
can get good models frm LW.....I just haven't learned how yet).
Anyways, if you can help me out please post to the list or feel free to
send me e-mail.

    I have to say one thing i am VERY pleased to see is that Allen
Hastings is obviously a member on the list and is ACTIVE.  :)  I really
look forward to being able to suggest new ideas and KNOWING someone at
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new tek is listening.

    1] In Modeler :   When I am editing an object or
polygon...escpecially when its a polygon that will be lathed....i often
don't get the points in the prefect position the first time around.
Thus, I go to modify and select points and then click the point i want
and then move.  I have to do this for each point.  To select another
point it seems i have to click on the select point to get out of the
move and then / to unpick the current one (or click on it again) and
then i can select the next one.  Is there anyway to be in a "pick points
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mode" like imagine, where you can simply click on the point you want,
move it and let go over and over?  Am I missing something?

    2] Is there a way to make a "box" primitve with a certain number
of triangluar or square polygons instead of just the defualt one?  I
know a trick would be to add a flat polygon of multiple segments and to
then extrude it for the other number of segments....though it seems like
this would be a nicer feature allowing more control when the plane is
first created.

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    3] Is there a way to go through the polygons or points of an
object one at a time and see them highlighted to get the one you want to
edit?  In the other modeler there is a "next and previous" command for
both points, edges, polygons and objects.  In this way you can easily
find that one thing you wish to edit and bring it up for editing.

    4] In the renderer : I am somewhat confused as to why objects
(such as large objects) disappear when i change grid size.  My guess is
that unlike imagine where you see objects outside of what the current
view volume would be, LW cuts off objects too far away in layout.  Can
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anyone confirm this?

    5] Can you brush map more than one type of image map (planar
etc..) to a SURFACE?   I know you can have multiple per object based on
different surfaces, and also different types per surface.... ie: a bump,
a reflection etc.... but can you have more than one of the same type on
the same surface?

    6]  Is there anyway to get a graphical representation of the
brushmap around your object to "SEE" how and where it is placed.  A
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bounding box would be fine.

    7] Does the brush map repeat if it is smaller than the object?
If not can you set it so it will?  If so, can you have it mirror?

    8] What are the point type of polygons such as those that the
stars are made of.  I know these motion blur....and have used this
successfully, but i am not really quite sure how to make them.


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    Well, thats all i have now ....though i'm sure more will come
up.  I apologize for both the length of the article and perhaps rather
basic questions.  If there was something I missed in the documentation
please feel free to just tell me what page to reference if it will save
time and space.

    Thanks ahead of time.  I look forward to participating on the
list.

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> What I want to know is when NewTek will let you recompile Lightwave for the
> Vivid 24....????   Put in the good word...Tell them I'll even keep my two
> toasters....
> Christopher
>
>
I talked to the individuals at Vivid the other day and they have
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Without recompiling lightwave, Vivid 24 will theoretically do this much:

68030/882 50Mhz              1 hour
68040     25Mhz              6 mins
040/Vivid 24                 .6 SECONDS!!

Much better and we'll have REAL-TIME 3D animations..

I highly suspect that this is the graphics-coproccessing board that is
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Here are some simple answers for your simple modelling questions:

        1] In Modeler :   When I am editing an object or
    polygon...escpecially when its a polygon that will be lathed....i often
    don't get the points in the prefect position the first time around.
    Thus, I go to modify and select points and then click the point i want
    and then move.  I have to do this for each point. [...]

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click the mouse on the point again to deselect.  If multiple points are
selected, the last one selected moves to the pointer and the others move
relative.  This does not require switching to Move mode.

        2] Is there a way to make a "box" primitve with a certain number
    of triangluar or square polygons instead of just the defualt one? [...]

The course you indicated will work.

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        3] Is there a way to go through the polygons or points of an
    object one at a time and see them highlighted to get the one you want to
    edit?  In the other modeler there is a "next and previous" command for
    both points, edges, polygons and objects.  In this way you can easily
    find that one thing you wish to edit and bring it up for editing.

Hmm.  Try "Info" ("i" key).  This shows some stats about the selected points
or polygons and allows some selection.  "Statistics" ("w") also allows
selection of points and polygons based on their abstract properties.  For
example, you can select all the polygons with a given surface.
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        8] What are the point type of polygons such as those that the
    stars are made of.  I know these motion blur....and have used this
    successfully, but i am not really quite sure how to make them.

These are single point polygons.  Select a single point and make a polygon
from it ("p").  The polygon thus created will appear as a dot from any
angle and will motion blur.  These can be best manipulated using the
polygon statistics window.

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Well not exactly.... DMI is giving a vivid 24 to Nutopia...well not giving
eitrh but anyway.... but they are currently on short supplly...i think they
make them by hand or something.... Anyway Allen when Till gets the board
head on over and check it out.... i dont know about that .6 seconds WITHOUT
being recompiled for the TI chip..... if the software does not directly
support the board it has to go through some horrible library kludge.... like
how they have workbench running on the resolver....more like SLOWbench....
so i wouldnt look for any huge jumps in speed unless software is written
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                CINEMORPH DEBUTS AT PASEDENA WOC

   KING OF PRUSSIA, PA - September, 1992.  In a surprise move, GVP has
released a previously unannounced morphing package.  Called CineMorph,
this impressive software system brings the features of a high-end
commercial morphing system to the Amiga, giving any user the ability to
warp single images, morph between two or more images, and even create
sequences of full motion morphs.

   CineMorph features include exceptionally fast rendering that can be
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fully automated to save you time.  You can preview results within
CineMorph or render directly to Amiga formats, HAM-E, DCTV and
24-bit IFF with controls provided directly in CineMorph.  The system
also supports full 24-bit output for professional needs on framebuffers
such as the IV24.

   Using the industry standard dual window interface, CineMorph takes
this one step further by making these windows fully intuition based to
allow images to be shown and morphed in their correct aspect ratio.
These same windows can also be enlarged for precise editing.  CineMorph
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follows Amiga style conventions in all areas and uses logical and easy
to understand controls for it's entire operation.

   Computer and video artists will appreciate the many professional
capabilities of CineMorph.  Some of these features include the ability
to warp images for comic effect, merge similar scenes for film or video
to eliminate bad edits, and create full motion morph sequences for
cinematic or video effects using CineMorph's unmatched controls for
automating the creation of full motion sequences.  Abilities not found
in any other Amiga-based morphing software!
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   "CineMorph is boon to anyone who uses the Amiga for video
applications," says Lawrence Ough, Product Manager for the new product.
"And it's suggested retail price of $149.00 will put sophisticated
morphing capabilities within everyone's reach."

   CineMorph represents the state of the art in morphing software on the
Amiga.  It's currently being used by high profile companies in several
productions in Hollywood, New York and Florida, as well as many other
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> Without recompiling lightwave, Vivid 24 will theoretically do this much:
> 68030/882 50Mhz              1 hour
> 68040     25Mhz              6 mins
> 040/Vivid 24                 .6 SECONDS!!

Where in the world did you get these COMPLETELY bogus numbers??!! They
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impossible even using peak numbers). And finally, LightWave could not run
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    Hi....would you believe I already have MORE to ask!?

    1] Can you do shadows without the "Trace Shadows" option.  I
know in most rendering programs you only get shadows with trace, but i
thought i recalled LW 1.0 doing shadows and if i am correct LW 1.0
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    2] Is there any feature that lets you do those Camera Highlight
when you aim it at a lightsource?  I have seen it many times on LW
animations and am just wondering if they are some semi-transparent
object or if there is a feature hidden away somewhere.

    3] What is the point of the 1536 x something rendering size?  I
realize it woul be useful if you are going to someother out put such as
ADPro and so on....but is there any way to display it back on the
Toaster?  What is the possiblity of having the future version of LW be
able to accept any given (typed) resoultion and aspect ratio.  I have a
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in the exact res and aspect ratio for RGB output....rather than having
to go through a conversion process.

    4] Last night I did a wireframe preiview of the demo scene named
SpaceFighters.  Looks nice but with my machine I was only able to load
up 94 of the 200 or so frames.  I understand this as the machine with
the toaster has very little memory.  HOWEVER when i made the wireframe
preview it actually went up to the last frame to make the preview.  GREAT
except when i went to play it back, it only showed me the 94!  What a
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only show part of it!  I realize i could set the Start and End frame
value to 1 and 94, but should the program know not to make extra frames
if it can't load them?  If it can make them all and fit them in mem like
it seemed it did, why not play all of them back?

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>     4] In the renderer : I am somewhat confused as to why objects
> (such as large objects) disappear when i change grid size.  My guess is
> that unlike imagine where you see objects outside of what the current
> view volume would be, LW cuts off objects too far away in layout.  Can
> anyone confirm this?

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which causes it to disappear due to backface removal.

>     5] Can you brush map more than one type of image map (planar
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>     6]  Is there anyway to get a graphical representation of the
> brushmap around your object to "SEE" how and where it is placed.  A
> bounding box would > be fine.

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>     7] Does the brush map repeat if it is smaller than the object?

Yes.

> If so, can you have it mirror?

No.
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    Just a thought :

    Sine first frame and last frame in the SCENE module is set
usually from 1 to a number....what is frame 0 for?

    I rendered this anim i made and just started all my keys at 1.
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>     1] Can you do shadows without the "Trace Shadows" option.

Not in any current LightWave release.

> thought i recalled LW 1.0 doing shadows and if i am correct LW 1.0
> didn't have ray tracing.

1.0 did not have complete ray tracing as 2.0 does, but it did have traced
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2.0 merely added a little more control by controlling which lights actually
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>     2] Is there any feature that lets you do those Camera Highlight
> when you aim it at a lightsource?

Are you refering to lens flare effects? They are a new feature in 3.0
but can be simulated in 2.0 without a huge amount of effort. If you saw
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>     3] What is the point of the 1536 x something rendering size?

The current version of LightWave accomplished antialiasing by rendering
at double resolution and then filtering down. 1504 x 960 (1536 x 960 was
the dimension in 1.0) is exactly double the standard overscan video
resolution of 752 x 480. Normally when Hi-res overscan is selected,
LightWave 2.0 will render to 1504 x 960 and filter it down to 752 x 480.
But if you select Save Full Image (or something like that), it will skip
the filter down step and save the full 1504 x 960 image. This can be useful
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> I have a
> 24 bit RGB board, and it would be nie if i could just tell LW to render
> in the exact res and aspect ratio for RGB output.

LW has always been geared toward video use, hence the discreet choices for
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I am hoping to be able to upgrade our Toaster system soon for doing Lightwave
animations.  I have a basic how-does-it-work question, and I am interested in
some advice on hardware choices.

I am starting with a standard A2000/HD (e.g. C= disk controller and 50Mb drive)
with 7Mb of memory.  When I add an accelerator that uses 32 bit memory, what
becomes of the present 16 bit memory?  Will it be handled gracefully?  Do
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Also, additional disk, most likely a SyQuest 88 Mb drive (recommendations? one
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Mark Thompson <rutgers!westford.ccur.com!mark> writes:

> [e-mail] (Michael B. Comet) writes:
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> >     5] Can you brush map more than one type of image map (planar
> > etc..) to a SURFACE?
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> The current LightWave allows only one texture per texture type, ie. one
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> bump maps.

Ok..I think the next obvious question would be...will 3.0 support
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> > bounding box would > be fine.
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> Not currently, but the texture autosizing has reduced the need for this
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Is this something we can look forward to?

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    First, thanks to all of you out there who have replied to my
questions both on the list and via e-mail.

    I am currently rendering animations and laying them down on an
AG7750 (Panasonic - SVHS recorder)....by hand...  Slow but it works.
Anyhow.... I currently save all my frames as IFF and not Framestores
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them on the switcher.....unless i save them in the standard framestore
location thus erasing all my old frames....which I don't want to do.

    I believe i could use Play frames or whatever....but i need to
be able to call up a frame when i need it....not by setting a timing
delay.  Does anyone know if there is a way of telling the switcher to
look in a different directory and not just a drive?  Or is there a way
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>     Sine first frame and last frame in the SCENE module is set
> usually from 1 to a number....what is frame 0 for?

> However LW still rendered what seems to be frame 0 or at least the
> motion blur of the stars carried over from frame 0.  Just curious as to
> why this frame is availavle.

Well you almost answered your own question. It is used to initiate motion
that will continue on in frame 1. It can be rather convenient. Place
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a seamless loop. But the motion blur issue is probably the most necessary
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> I currently save all my frames as IFF and not Framestores
> since I don't know of anyway to recall the framestore from where LW saves
> them on the switcher.

Select Save Frames and specify any path you desire in the requestor,
no need to use the Framestore directory.

>     I believe i could use Play frames or whatever....but i need to
> be able to call up a frame when i need it....not by setting a timing
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No need for a timing delay, you can use play frames without Recording
selected and they will be played back as quickly as the hard drive will
allow. Or you can leave Recording enabled and set the delay as small as
you like. When I do video disk recording, I set the delay to 0.1 sec
(changed it from 0 sec when I got my 040 because my Amiga got too fast :-)
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Hi Michael (Michael B. Comet), in <[e-mail]> on Sep 20 you wrote:

:     I believe i could use Play frames or whatever....but i need to
: be able to call up a frame when i need it....not by setting a timing
: delay.  Does anyone know if there is a way of telling the switcher to
: look in a different directory and not just a drive?  Or is there a way
: to QUICKLY load a frame from in LW to display to program?  I current
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    Well You could always try to assign the new location of your
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Hello All,

I am trying to bend an object (a logo) into a semi-circle,  and although
the modlers manual is good, I cant seam to get it to do what I am looking
for.  Any help would be greatly appreciated!

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Sorry about the bandwidth on the last letter, I played around with
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Thanks...
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Aladdin 4D is an advanced 3D modeling, rendering and animation system.
Work through a direct window into 3D space creating your objects with
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Animation of objects is as simple as drawing a path.  Paths also control
rotation and can be linked for easy complex motion.  Also included is a
near real time wireframe preview of anims.

Shading can be in facet, Gouraud or Phong.  Other attributes are achieved
through a timeline so objects can change reflectivity, color, transparency,
hardness, wave sensitivity, self illumination, etc. during animation.

Textures are accomplished in the most complete and easy to use texturing
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textures on objects, and specify when each should occur along with the
strength, and effect, including normal, bump, opacity, decal, genlock and
more.  Procedurals animate and bitmap sequences are supported in all
texture modes.

Lights are unlimited in number and use attribute lists so they can change
color and strength during the animation as well as being assigned to paths.
They can also be configured to cast shadows and create highlights
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Wave sources are unlimited in number, and have dual radii making it easy to
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paths.

Shadows are implemented using ray tracing algorithms and are user
optimizable.  All other rendering is achieved through solid-model
algorithms for greater speed and efficiency.

Gaseous objects are easy to use.  Access is by a container in which the
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container, which can use attribute lists and textures.  Turbulence can also
be introduced into the gas.  All gas effects can be animated.

Camera views are implemented.  The camera system can use one or more
targets which control zoom and direction.  Targets are controlled through
a timeline.  Targets can even control the "pan" from one to the other
allowing anything from an abrupt cut to a smooth transition.

Parallel spaces.  An unlimited number of parallel spaces can be used,
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the same drawing.  Objects may be transferred from one space to the other
and each space can have its own camera and target system.

And much more like loading encapsulated postscript files so work drawn in a
traditional drawing program can be used in Aladdin 4D.  Drawings can even
be saved as Professional Draw Clips for use in illustration.  Backgrounds,
foregrounds and overlays can be either bitmaps or procedurals.  Direct
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begin.  This way you can re-render an existing animation in any number of
frames that you might choose with no changes needed to the drawing!
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Composited textures?  While others are still imitating the methods we first
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them, and the results are spectacular!  Now you can apply any number of
bitmap or procedural textures simultaneously.  Say you use a rock texture
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bumpmap, then have the rock turn into wood during the animation, next have
the textures fade away and the transparency of the object increase... get
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procedural interface is!  You can even choose an amount of blend for the
procedural to elimate any jaggies.  For that matter, we have implemented a
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bitmapped poly, you can't see any jaggies!  We have also implemented a new
perspective correction system so that textures appear in their correct
positions, regardless of the perspective.

What are gaseous objects?  Just what you are hoping for... and more!
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has been brought to the personal computer, and its here for your Amiga!
Look at the planet, sun and the gas "rings" in the space rendering.  They
are 3D objects!  You won't believe how they look in an animation!!  And
this is a full-featured implementation, having features even the "big boys"
don't hve yet.  For instance, you can actually depress and raise the
surface of the gas and control the density of space inside the gas
container using texture lists and attribute lists on the container.  And as
if this isn't enough, the center of turbulence can be moved over time.  The
turbulence can be rotated and translated, and can have a secondary color
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professional flare.

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attribute of "waves", how about making a wave source with a range and
strength similar to light?  Select your object and tell it just how
sensitive to the wave source it should be.  Now you can assign the wave
source to a path and fly it along the object and watch the surface of the
object react to the waves.  This is also brand new to 3D programs and
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exist everywhere in nature, like the rings from a stone thrown into the
water, and are all but impossible to do in any other program.  There is
even a "multi" option which can imitate rain falling on a puddle using only
a single wave source.  Wait until you see this one on a chrome object!

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Hi all.

I'm currently working on an animation that requires I have objects
follow a specific elipsoidal path.  I am having difficulty figuring out
the best way for the objects to follow this path.

In other programs I was able to create an elipsoidal object with a
varying degree of points along it (to be used as key frames) and then
use this object as a path for another object.  This made it easy to have
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Both Sculpt and Imagine allowed me to use these types of paths for
motion.

Now I need to do it in Lightwave.  Do I have to manually place the
object in 30-60 postions and then create keys for it (I have 3 such
objects I have to move like this) or do I have to mathmatically
calculate the keys myself?

Isn't there an easier way to make my objects follow these elipsoidal
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paths without me pulling my hair out?!

My object is an Atom and I have to have the particles follow the typical
elipsoidal paths.  Hoping for some good advice.
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Bob Lindabury writes:


>I'm currently working on an animation that requires I have objects
>follow a specific elipsoidal path.  I am having difficulty figuring out
>the best way for the objects to follow this path.

 Have you tried setting just 4 keyframes, each one being at the max and min
boundaries of the width and height of your elipse? Then by adjusting the
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fluid motion around your elipsoidal path.


Hope this helps. Now for my question:

I created an object that doesn't seem to get the proper lighting/shading when
I render it. And I tried using multiple points on the edges to compensate
for the "S" shaped shading problem as described in the manual.

I'm not sure of the "mathematical" name for my object, but it's basically a
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block in the center, with the top, bottom and sides pinched in to form an
"emerald-like" shape, as commonly seen in rings or jewellery. So I start
by making a rectangle, then I make four points diagnally above (or below, on
the bottom) each corner, and "in" a bit on the z-axis. Then by joining four
points on each side (two corners and two of the new points I added), and
repeating for each side - I have one half of my object. The I mirror this
half and I'm done. Basically, I end up with a bevelled block-like object.       But when I render it, using a reflection map of the
standard fractal noise texture, I don't see the edges like I should, instead
it just looks like a small rectangle in front of a slightly larger one. What
gives? Is it the lighting or the object that's screwed up?
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> Bob Lindabury writes:
> >I'm currently working on an animation that requires I have objects
> >follow a specific elipsoidal path.

>  Have you tried setting just 4 keyframes, each one being at the max and min
> boundaries of the width and height of your elipse?

If this is insufficient, the equation for an ellipse is rather simple and
you could calculate a few values and add them as additional keys. Judging
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important. Anyway, the eqaustion is:
( x^2 / a^2 ) + ( y^2 / b^2 ) = 1
where a is the radius of the major axis and b is the radius of the minor.

Colin James Stuckless writes:
> Basically, I end up with a bevelled block-like object.
> But when I render it, using a reflection map of the
> standard fractal noise texture, I don't see the edges like I should, instead
> it just looks like a small rectangle in front of a slightly larger one.

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 Does anyone have any experience using a Sony EVO-9650 Hi-8 deck
with (from) LightWave? Specifically I'd like to know the commands
to make the deck record each frame as Lightwave displays it. I've
been able to control the deck from the Recording menu sending hex
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Mark Thompson <rutgers!westford.ccur.com!mark> writes:

> > Bob Lindabury writes:
> > >I'm currently working on an animation that requires I have objects
> > >follow a specific elipsoidal path.
>
> >  Have you tried setting just 4 keyframes, each one being at the max and min
> > boundaries of the width and height of your elipse?
>
> If this is insufficient, the equation for an ellipse is rather simple and
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> you could calculate a few values and add them as additional keys. Judging
> by your application, the accuracy of your ellipse is probably not that
> important. Anyway, the eqaustion is:
> ( x^2 / a^2 ) + ( y^2 / b^2 ) = 1
> where a is the radius of the major axis and b is the radius of the minor.

Hmm...but my ellipsoidal objects are rotated around several axis in
each case.  I would then have to calculate the points based on the
amount of rotation around the x,y and z axis.  This complicates
things considerably does it not?
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Colin James Stuckless <rutgers!garfield.cs.mun.ca!colins> writes:

> Bob Lindabury writes:
>
>
> >I'm currently working on an animation that requires I have objects
> >follow a specific elipsoidal path.  I am having difficulty figuring out
> >the best way for the objects to follow this path.
>
>  Have you tried setting just 4 keyframes, each one being at the max and min
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> boundaries of the width and height of your elipse? Then by adjusting the
> spline controls at each keyframe, I suspect you should be able to achieve
> fluid motion around your elipsoidal path.
>

Four keyframes will not cut it.  The electrons (etc) have to follow
the elipsoidal ring perfectly.  They have to be ON the ring.  No
amount of spline adjusting will get this accuracy with only four
keyframes.

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> Hope this helps. Now for my question:
>
> I created an object that doesn't seem to get the proper lighting/shading when
> I render it. And I tried using multiple points on the edges to compensate
> for the "S" shaped shading problem as described in the manual.
>
> I'm not sure of the "mathematical" name for my object, but it's basically a
> block in the center, with the top, bottom and sides pinched in to form an
> "emerald-like" shape, as commonly seen in rings or jewellery. So I start
> by making a rectangle, then I make four points diagnally above (or below, on
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> the bottom) each corner, and "in" a bit on the z-axis. Then by joining four
> points on each side (two corners and two of the new points I added), and
> repeating for each side - I have one half of my object. The I mirror this
> half and I'm done. Basically, I end up with a bevelled block-like object.
> standard fractal noise texture, I don't see the edges like I should, instead
> it just looks like a small rectangle in front of a slightly larger one. What
> gives? Is it the lighting or the object that's screwed up?
>
>
> Colin Stuckless
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> FutureVision Productions
> [e-mail]
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Well, not seeing the object it sounds like your faces for the edges
are facing the wrong way.  Select polygon mode instead of point mode
and pick your edges.  If the surface normal indicator (dotted line)
faces into the center of your cube, then you must flip the polygons
for your edge surfaces.  This is done in Modeller of course. <grin>

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points in turn and then select "make" to create the polygons for your
edges?

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> Bob Lindabury writes:

>Four keyframes will not cut it.  The electrons (etc) have to follow
>the elipsoidal ring perfectly.  They have to be ON the ring.  No
>amount of spline adjusting will get this accuracy with only four
>keyframes.

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you want it to follow the path of an ellipsoidal object that
you've created. Sorry for the confusion. How did NewTek do this
in their Revolution video (At the beginning, the paradigm shift)?
Maybe Mr.Hastings can comment if he's not too busy.

>Well, not seeing the object it sounds like your faces for the edges
>are facing the wrong way.  Select polygon mode instead of point mode
>and pick your edges.  If the surface normal indicator (dotted line)
>faces into the center of your cube, then you must flip the polygons
>for your edge surfaces.  This is done in Modeller of course. <grin>
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  It wasn't the surface normals (I always make sure my surfaces are
correctly aligned).

>It's possible you didn't make the polygons.  Did you select the
>points in turn and then select "make" to create the polygons for your
>edges?

  Nope. I'm familiar with the way polygon creation is accomplised in
the Modeler. The problem was - are Mark Thompson pointed out (thanks
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selected, and since the angles on the edges of my object were < 90
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the facets perfectly.

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> > Bob Lindabury writes:
>
> >Four keyframes will not cut it.  The electrons (etc) have to follow
> >the elipsoidal ring perfectly.  They have to be ON the ring.  No
> >amount of spline adjusting will get this accuracy with only four
> >keyframes.
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>  I thought you were using an imaginary path, but now I gather that
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> you've created. Sorry for the confusion. How did NewTek do this
> in their Revolution video (At the beginning, the paradigm shift)?
> Maybe Mr.Hastings can comment if he's not too busy.

Actually, the Revolution video where the world follows a path is much
easier due to the fact that the path seems to be a perfect circle.
In this case you can just create the path, attach the globe to the
path and spin the whole thing 360 degrees.  Since it is a perfect
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mentioned in the below post from rec.video.production? <grin>

ORIGINALLY FROM: [e-mail] (Raymond Ulibarri)
In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] () writes:
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>  I mentioned this once in a post a long time ago.  The biggest impediment
>  to moving the Toaster to another hardware platform is that the whole
>  Toaster software system is written in Amiga Assembler language (all 300K
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>  reasons for doing this early on were for performance improvements.  As
>  is typical in the computer business, the performance improvements that
>  were gained on the 68000 are probably no longer very significant on a
>  68030 or 68040 Amiga, but the programming language problem is still as
>  great.  Sigh...  If they wrote they thing in C to begin with, they
>  probably would have had a hard time running it on a 68K amiga but they
>  could have moved it to a fast Intel or Risc-chip system trivially when
>  the processor performance was available.  Double sigh...
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Not entirely true.  Alan Hastings does not write in Assembler.  He writes in C.
 Little by little, he's been getting bits of assembler code from his
compatriots, thus improving LightWave 3-D.  BTW, Alan Hastings is the author of
NewTek's LightWave 3-D.
   As a side note, I've been told that NewTek will be releasing LIGHTWAVE PRO,
a standalone version of the software that will not require the Video Toaster to
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      Has anyone experienced any problems with a large number of objects in
      Lightwave?  I am talking of ranges from 100 to 1000.  I can get it to
      load up to 408 before it locks up.  Also when it loads over 150 objects
      I cannot enter layout without lightwave locking up.

      Has anyone else experienced this problem.  And is there a limit stated
      anywhere in the manual?

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> Anyone care to comment on the possibility of the "Lightwave Pro"
> mentioned in the below post from rec.video.production?

>ORIGINALLY FROM: [e-mail] (Raymond Ulibarri)
> NewTek's LightWave 3-D.
> As a side note, I've been told that NewTek will be releasing LIGHTWAVE PRO,
> a standalone version of the software that will not require the Video Toaster
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> I can't speak for NewTek, but every conversation I have had with them
> regarding the "standalone version" was in reference to a version that
> would be unbundled from the Toaster SOFTWARE, not the HARDWARE. I think
> some people may be jumping the gun with these rumors. But to get the real
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Hello Guys,

I was just wondering what you guys are using for Time Base Correctors,
and why you choose the ones you did?

A friend of mine is looking at getting one and who like some feed back
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or (both the TBC and Vectorscope are internal cards, using the PC slots) is also an excellent product and very inexpensive.  Both these cards sell for about $999 US.

Hope this helps...

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Im using lightwave with a JVC BR-8600U 1/2 " VCR and BCD 2000A Controler,
does anyone else have this set up?  Im having problems getting a good
animation to tape.  It either skips a frame once in awhile, or doubles frames,
Ive tried just about every dlyc & u numbers, and it just wont work perfect every time.
if anyone has any tips, I'd love to hear em!

-scott

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          Does anyone know of a FTP site that has LW objects?
          Wuarchive has a sub-directory for them, but it is as yet
          empty.  I have been able to find lots of Imagine objects,
          but know of no way to convert them to LW.



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If anyone has any good settings for Chrome, I'd love to hear em..  Ive tried
just about everything I could, Video Toaster User had a blurp about how to get good ch
chrome, but it just doesnt look like real chrome to me (maybe It's just me)

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Im also interested in a ftp site for objects, lightwave, imagine, wavefront
anything actually...

to convert imagine objects, I use PIXEL-3D, also if you have VERTEX, I think]
that might do the trick...

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There is an option in modeler to turn all polygons to face one way,
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>to convert imagine objects, I use PIXEL-3D, also if you have VERTEX, I think]


I use pixel 3d, and have problems with wrong-facing polygons. Of course
I can turn on double-facing from within lightwave but this slows things
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>           Does anyone know of a FTP site that has LW objects?
>           Wuarchive has a sub-directory for them, but it is as yet
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Try Pixel3D Pro

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Interchange

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Type at ya l8r..
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Scott Bethke <rutgers!access.digex.com!sbathkey> writes:

> Im also interested in a ftp site for objects, lightwave, imagine, wavefront
> anything actually...
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> to convert imagine objects, I use PIXEL-3D, also if you have VERTEX, I think]
> that might do the trick...
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There are a couple of sites I know of that have some Lightwave
objects.  One site is my own.  I don't have FTP available to you but
you *can* use email to the file-server.

Send email to [e-mail] with the following in
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HELP
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/DIR

and a help file telling you how to use the server as well as a
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Alternately you can use the address [e-mail] and
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Same stuff will be sent to you.

As for FTP sites..you can try avalon.chinalake.navy.mil.  That seems
to be *THE* 3D object repository at this point in time.

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Scott Bethke <rutgers!access.digex.com!sbathkey> writes:

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> Im using lightwave with a JVC BR-8600U 1/2 " VCR and BCD 2000A Controler,
> does anyone else have this set up?  Im having problems getting a good
> animation to tape.  It either skips a frame once in awhile, or doubles frames
> Ive tried just about every dlyc & u numbers, and it just wont work perfect ev
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I'm not familiar with the model of JVC you have but seeing that it is
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    Does Lightwave accept ARexx input?  There is documentation
and sample code for an ARexx interface with other Toaster components,
but I have found neither for Lightwave.
    Thanks.

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> If anyone has any good settings for Chrome, I'd love to hear em. Ive tried
> just about everything I could, Video Toaster User had a blurp about how
> to get good chrome, but it just doesnt look like real chrome to me.

Well I probably never do chrome the same way twice but a rough ballpark
setting would be diffuse 10%, specular 80%, high glossiness, 90% reflection,
and smoothing. Perhaps the most important is to have a nice smooth curved
object surface and to use a good reflection map. The reflection map should
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the Chrome that PDI uses is basically a reflection map of a flat
grey screen which has randomly-sized rectangles of lighter and darker
shades of grey dispersed uniformly across it. I've had decent success
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>     Does Lightwave accept ARexx input?  There is documentation
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> but I have found neither for Lightwave.
>     Thanks.
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Yes, it does, but they're pretty useless.  Call Newtek and ask for the lightwave
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charter, we've gained quite a few new members!  Since we've gained so
many new members in the past 2 weeks, I am going to post the entire
membership listing so that you all know where you stand.

Of course, if you'd like to be excluded from future lists, please just
drop me a line at [e-mail].

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I'm NOT interested in posted to a mailing list that sends me 10
bounce notifications for each post I put out. Could somebody please
clean up the out-of-date user IDs so this stops happening?

(Rutgers in particular has been complaining about hosts like
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> the Chrome that PDI uses is basically a reflection map of a flat
> grey screen which has randomly-sized rectangles of lighter and darker
> shades of grey dispersed uniformly across it. I've had decent success
> with that.
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> ---Mike.
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Maybe thats what I need, is a good image map, Ive been using
fractalreflections, but that just looks , well, to wavy or fake, or
something, could someone mail me a good image, being new to Internet IM
not sure if this could be done, if not, can someone put a file up at
an FTP site where I could get the image.

thanks!
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          O.K. I sent mail to the mail-server and I waiting on the
          responece.  I was wondering what you are required to type to
          get on to avalon.chinalake.navy.mil?  I have tried anonymous
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Scott Bethke <rutgers!access.digex.com!sbathkey> writes:

> >
> > the Chrome that PDI uses is basically a reflection map of a flat
> > grey screen which has randomly-sized rectangles of lighter and darker
> > shades of grey dispersed uniformly across it. I've had decent success
> > with that.
> >
> > ---Mike.
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> Maybe thats what I need, is a good image map, Ive been using
> fractalreflections, but that just looks , well, to wavy or fake, or
> something, could someone mail me a good image, being new to Internet IM
> not sure if this could be done, if not, can someone put a file up at
> an FTP site where I could get the image.
>
> thanks!
> -Scott
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> [e-mail]
>

You can pickup just such an imagemap here at graphics.rent.com.  You
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You can obtain help and a directory by using the commands:

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/DIR

The file in question is:

3d/brshmaps/anim-map.lha

It consists of 18 images of squares.  You can use a single image for
static reflection mapping or you can use the sequence of frames for a
reflection map that moves.

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Michael Sheasby <rutgers!dgp.toronto.edu!sheasby> writes:

> I'm NOT interested in posted to a mailing list that sends me 10
> bounce notifications for each post I put out. Could somebody please
> clean up the out-of-date user IDs so this stops happening?
>
> (Rutgers in particular has been complaining about hosts like
> asuacad.bitnet.edu!icgdm)
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> ---Mike.
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Look, it's comments like these that cause trouble on networks and
cause otherwise happy-go-lucky people to get very hot under the
collar.  I find your subject and your tone to be very immature and
condenscending.

Suppose I say I'm not interested in having users who can't act in a
mature, professional manner as members of our mailing list?  Well,
I'm not going to stoop to that level.  However, I am going to tell
you that any bad addresses *DO* get weeded out in time.  Everytime I
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post to the list I get to see what addresses are not working and what
ones are.  I then go through the (long) process of trying to email
the member via alternate routing as well as sending mail to the
postmaster of the machine in question.

In most cases bad addresses are fixed and or deleted as the need
arises.  In some cases I have projects with deadlines (3D Animation
and Video shoots) that take priority over my riding heard over
bouncing addresses.  Since we just signed up about 20 people, it
stands to reason that there are going to be a few bad addresses.
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As a matter of fact, I just weeded out about 10 bad addresses in the
past week.

If you find you can't possibly deal with a few bounced messages, then
I suggest you take your attitude somewhere else because quite
obviously your tolerance for a few bounced messages far outwieghts
your interest in Lightwave 3D.

Maybe next time you feel a need to rant and rave at the mailing list
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[e-mail] instead of posting to everyone on
the list.

To the rest of you, I am very sorry for taking up your time and your
mailbox space with this drivel, but I have difficulty leaving such
attacks unanswered when they are posted publicly.

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>> I'm NOT interested in posted to a mailing list that sends me 10
>> bounce notifications for each post I put out. Could somebody please
>> clean up the out-of-date user IDs so this stops happening?
>>
>> (Rutgers in particular has been complaining about hosts like
>> asuacad.bitnet.edu!icgdm)
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>> ---Mike.
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and Bob Lindabury replies with:

> comments like these that cause trouble on networks
> I find your subject and your tone to be very immature and condenscending.
> users who can't act in a mature, professional manner
> take your attitude somewhere else
> rant and rave at the mailing list
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> drivel
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Bob, don't you think you are overreacting JUST A LITTLE BIT?
Unsubscribe me. thanks.

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On Nov 11,  2:42pm, Michael Sheasby wrote:
> Subject: Re:  can we PLEASE fix the goddamned mailing list?
> I wrote:
>
> >> I'm NOT interested in posted to a mailing list that sends me 10
> >> bounce notifications for each post I put out. Could somebody
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> > comments like these that cause trouble on networks
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> Bob, don't you think you are overreacting JUST A LITTLE BIT?
>
>-- End of [edited] excerpt from Michael Sheasby

C'mon.  Lighten up.  Get a life.  One  _sure_ way to eliminate
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problems is not to post.  Another is to go to a moderated list.

Isn't private mail to the list administrator the most efficient
way to deal with administration problems?

Maybe Bob was overreacting, but such should be the administrator's
right, at least once in a while.  After all, what other compensation
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        The solution to your problem is Time Code.  Your SFC (single

frame controller) is using pulses on the control track through your

JVC BR-8600 to keep track of tape position.  The drawback is that

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it will slip a frame or more.  This is true of most videotape decks,

??any exceptions??  An investment into either SMPTE or VITC time code

will be most of the solution to your problem.

        SMPTE stands for Society of Motion Picture and Television Engineers.

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Some decks have a reserved track for SMPTE time code, but not the JVC BR-8600.

You will need a time code reader and a time code generator.  One or both

of these features may be built into your SFC.  I am not sure.

        VITC stands for vertical interval time code.  This system uses

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This is the "black" segment that you will sometimes see when your

vertical hold is incorrectly set.

        Hope this information helps all  -Karl

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>

You made it! <grin>

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Hi Peoples,

I am having a problem getting frames to tape on a SONY EVO-9650.

The baud rate is set correctly at the Tape deck and the computer,
the cable is hooked upto the machine properly.  When we put the
Record Setup string in lightwave and hit return the Ext CPU led
on the 9650 lights momentarily supposedly indicating that the
machines are communicating properly but when we try select render
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 1.) lightwave completes the frame,
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 3.) Nothing ends up on the tape!

The tape has been striped with time-code so that shouldn't be the prob, BUT...

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> Hi Peoples,
>
> I am having a problem getting frames to tape on a SONY EVO-9650.
>
> The baud rate is set correctly at the Tape deck and the computer,
> the cable is hooked upto the machine properly.  When we put the
> Record Setup string in lightwave and hit return the Ext CPU led
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> to automatically drop frames to tape, this is what happens.
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>  1.) lightwave completes the frame,
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>      inturn to the 9650 (once again the Ext CPU led lights breifly)
>  3.) Nothing ends up on the tape!
>
> The tape has been striped with time-code so that shouldn't be the prob, BUT...
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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> Scott..
>
>  *lost and cold in the tundra*
>
>  I animated a signature, BUT COULDNT GET IT TO TAPE!!
>
>
>

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Hi Guys,

Thanks for all the comments about the EVO-9650.

I think we narrowed the prob down to serial port settings..

Once again Thanks.  :-)

Scott

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So what kinds of jobs are people out there on the net using the
Toaster for? We are using ours to render 3D logos for the start
of corporate videos, as well as some editing effects in those
videos?  What kind of rates are people charging? and What is your
usual length for a company logo? (ie. 2-3 secs?)
    I just thought that I would post to see if we can get a
bit of a discussion here, as this list appears to be fairly dead.

    Rob

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> So what kinds of jobs are people out there on the net using the
> Toaster for? We are using ours to render 3D logos for the start
> of corporate videos, as well as some editing effects in those
> videos?  What kind of rates are people charging? and What is your
> usual length for a company logo? (ie. 2-3 secs?)
>     I just thought that I would post to see if we can get a
> bit of a discussion here, as this list appears to be fairly dead.
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>     Rob
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> So what kinds of jobs are people out there on the net using the
> Toaster for? We are using ours to render 3D logos for the start
> of corporate videos, as well as some editing effects in those
> videos?  What kind of rates are people charging? and What is your
> usual length for a company logo? (ie. 2-3 secs?)
>     I just thought that I would post to see if we can get a
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>     Rob
>

Yes, the list is somewhat..sparse, but that's probably because we are
made up of professionals that are probably spending most of thier
time *producing* videos and animation rather than just playing around
with the software and posting on the net.

We recently had a 3D logo special.  It was for $1000.00 for under 10
seconds of *simple* animation.  We would do a simple spin, flip,
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transparencey, no beveled edges, no ray-tracing, no glass.  Basically
we would do simple chrome, gold, silver or whatever logos for the
$1000.00 price tag.  Of course we would show them the $1000.00 vs.
the more expensive animations and they would want the higher priced
type.  Anything extra such as transparency or bevels would be added
to the cost estimate.  Since render times increase with transparency
and such the cost increase quite a bit on special animations.  Client
also could opt for custom sound effects with thier logo..of course at
an additional cost.
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In most cases we would try to keep the animations to around 6 seconds.

I want to stress the point that we only do very simplisting moves
with very simplistic objects for $1000.00.  In most cases we would
just use a key background rather than a time consuming map or
gradient background since we could put the logo over anything we
wanted when done this way.  Anything that could be done to reduce
render time is.  We would remove the backs from objects that we would
not see the backs of.  We would scan in original logos, convert them
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to have reasonable looking objects.

In most cases we can get under 2 minute per frame render times with
these types of logos.  Of course this isn't the most satisfying work
that can be done with the Toaster and Lightwave but it does help to
pay the bills. <grin>

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Is there any interest in trading LIGHTWAVE (training) video tapes?

I have "Lightwave 3D ALA Toaster Tape #2" and would like to trade
for tape # 1, or 3 or 4 , or actually any lightwave tape that anyone
else has.  I plan on buying more, so if anyone is interested, we could
buy and trade to get better use out of the tapes in general.  I also
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> So what kinds of jobs are people out there on the net using the
> Toaster for? We are using ours to render 3D logos for the start
> of corporate videos, as well as some editing effects in those

I'm trying to break into 3d animation myself, there seems to be a
need for it out here (Ocean City, MD), but Im having a hard time
getting a break..  everyone wants it, but no one wants to pay for it

> videos?  What kind of rates are people charging? and What is your
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> usual length for a company logo? (ie. 2-3 secs?)

Hey I'd also love to know whats standard?  or if there are price
breaks in certain markets, or what.

>       I just thought that I would post to see if we can get a
> bit of a discussion here, as this list appears to be fairly dead.
>

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alot of the ideas in programs like 3d Studio, Imagine, etc are
the same as lightwave.

>       Rob
>
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> So what kinds of jobs are people out there on the net using the
> Toaster for? We are using ours to render 3D logos for the start
> of corporate videos, as well as some editing effects in those
> videos?  What kind of rates are people charging? and What is your
> usual length for a company logo? (ie. 2-3 secs?)


Well, I just had my amiga accelerated, so we've just begun using
lightwave seriously.  So far, I've done a nice flying logo for
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We do mostly in-house work (no charge-back), but currently we charge
$30/hour for graphics generation. We don;t do a lot of it, and
it's usually part of a longer project.


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Hi -
We just got the PPS 25mhz 040, no onboard RAM, and after a slightly
tortuous installation in the 3000, found it to work nearly perfectly.

Except, of course, with the program we had bought it specifically for,
Lightwave.  Now, I've renamed Lightwave.FP to Lightwave, turned the caches &
copyback mode on & off in various configurations, but no luck.  What will
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Hi Guys,

Does anyone out there has any experience with the Digital Editmaster by
Digital Micronics, Inc. For all my single frame animations, I was thinking of
buying it.

Also, I am thinking of buying a professional video camera, I was thinking of
Panasonic AG450, Does anyone out there has any experience with this camera, or
if there are better cameras than this, in the same price range, I would like
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          I just got Pixel 3D to convert Imagine objects to Lightwave.
          Now I find that if the object is a group it will only load
          the parent object.  Does anyone know how to get the entire
          object converted to Lightwave?

                                      Brian Bowles

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          Nothing!

          Well, that's not entirely true, I do a lot, but As yet I
          have not profited from my work.  I'm just an Amiga user who
          wanted to spend his last dime to get a Toaster Card.  I
          don't work for any production house or studio.  I work for
          the AV dept. here at the University.  I do from time to time
          bring it in and add some umph to are in house stuff.  I do
          have one aninimation running on the local cable station.
          It's for a 30 minute news program that the students do.  I
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          had to use rend24 to drom it down to 16 bit since I don't
          have access to any frame acurate VTRs.  I would like to get
          into using the Toaster proffesionaly, but as the Louisville
          area is rather big when it comes to the TV market I'm
          afraid that catching a break is next to impossible.
                                              Brian Bowles

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Hi,

As part of an animation I,m creating, I need to produce some reasonably good looking rocket plumes.  I believe this is not a trivial task to do well.  I would be interested in hearing from anyone who knows of some way to use lightwave to accomplish this e
ffect.  I guess one might use dissolving polygons, but I'm not sure how this would be implemented.  I'm already familiar with the atmosphere and cloud textures, perhaps these might be useful as well.

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>Hi Guys,
>
>Does anyone out there has any experience with the Digital Editmaster by
>Digital Micronics, Inc. For all my single frame animations, I was thinking of
>buying it.

I can't wait to see if this thing will do everything they claim.  Could put
some competition on Abekas.

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>Also, I am thinking of buying a professional video camera, I was thinking of
>Panasonic AG450, Does anyone out there has any experience with this camera, or
>if there are better cameras than this, in the same price range, I would like
>to know about that too.

The AG450 is not a very good camera.  i've seen consumer camcorders look
better.  The audio is mono and not hi-fi and overall picture quality is
poor (imho).

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I'd look more into Hi-8 camcorders.  I have a Sony V101 that is great and
has met my every need.  If you insist on SVHS, check out the AG460, its a 2
chip so it'll be more pricy.  Minolta has a 2 chip Hi-8 that is supposed to
be pretty good also.

I lean more towards Hi-8 because overall picture quality is better.

hope this helps
>


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> Hi Guys,
>
> Does anyone out there has any experience with the Digital Editmaster by
> Digital Micronics, Inc. For all my single frame animations, I was thinking of
> buying it.
>
No experience with it, But I cant wait to get one!

> Also, I am thinking of buying a professional video camera, I was thinking of
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> if there are better cameras than this, in the same price range, I would like
> to know about that too.

I use these cameras at school, they are very nice.  the ag450 is almost
exactly the same as there ag190's (VHS), its just that the 450's are
Supervhs.  Ive heard that the AG460 has some much better features, but
have never seen one to compare, but I think its got 2CCD's which would
improve resolution.  BUT (<-- big but) The AG450 is hard to beat for the
price.  One thing I think would be cool, is if panasonic would put there
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with an aga96 controler and plug in to my camcorder as a source machine.
being on a budget that would work great for me!  Perhaps this is something
the AG460 Has..>?<

>
> Thanks.
>
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>           I just got Pixel 3D to convert Imagine objects to Lightwave.
>           Now I find that if the object is a group it will only load
>           the parent object.  Does anyone know how to get the entire
>           object converted to Lightwave?
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>                                       Brian Bowles
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This is how I do it.

Load the object up into imagine, ungroup the pieces, then save out
each individual piece.  Then once converted you can choose whether
or not you want to regroup them.

Of course this is all dependent on whether or not you have imagine!

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>Hi Guys,
>
>Does anyone out there has any experience with the Digital Editmaster by
>Digital Micronics, Inc. For all my single frame animations, I was thinking of
>buying it.
>
>Thanks.
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    As soon as I heard of Editmaster I rushed out and called the
company.  Needless to say it wasn't out yet.  Anyhow the only person I
reached who had even seen the thing saw only a beta version doing
realtime JPEG decompression/compression as a video loop through to a
large screen display.  It sounds neat, but when you add in teh cost of a
high speed SCSI board and DRIVE required to get a decent compression
rate, playback rate the cost goes from the retail $1000 for the board
alone to plus 1 or 2 g's at least.

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    I am waiting to see a demo tape before I make any decisions.

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Brian Bowles writes:
>           I just got Pixel 3D to convert Imagine objects to Lightwave.
>           Now I find that if the object is a group it will only load
>           the parent object.  Does anyone know how to get the entire
>           object converted to Lightwave?

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> each individual piece.  Then once converted you can choose whether
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Wrong answer!  Just use InterChange Plus.  It converts between
LightWave objects *and scenes*, Imagine hierarchical objects, Turbo
Silver 2.0 and 3.0, VideoScape, Sculpt, PAGErender, Atari ST CAD-3D,
Vista DEM (digital elevation maps), makes 3D text from outline fonts,
and more.  And there's add-on Converters for Wavefront, AutoCAD,
Digital Arts and 3D Studio.

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information.  It preserves almost everything: color, reflected color,
filter color, refraction, specularity, etc.  When you go from Imagine
to LightWave, it automatically makes accurate named surfaces for all
the different attributes in the Imagine object.  When you go from
LightWave to Imagine, it automatically makes "sub-groups" for each
surface, so it's a LOT easier to re-select sets of faces within
Imagine sub-objects to edit their characteristics.  And it can
convert a hierarchical Imagine object to a LightWave scene, writing a
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Imagine sub-objects.  Or vice-versa: load a LightWave hierarchical
scene and make it a hierarchical Imagine object.

And at $99.95 retail, it's a lot less than Pixel 3D Pro, at $249.95.
Our manual is a lot better, too.  We've got a special offer going.
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Uma Pandey asks:

>>Also, I am thinking of buying a professional video camera,

>>I was thinking of Panasonic AG450, Does anyone out there

>>as any experience with this camera, or if there are better

>>cameras than this, in the same price range, I would like to

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>>know about that too.

And Josh Tsui responds:

>The AG450 is not a very good camera.  i've seen consumer

>camcorders look better.  The audio is mono and not hi-fi

>and overall picture quality is poor (imho).

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>I'd look more into Hi-8 camcorders.  I have a Sony V101

>that is great and has met my every need.  If you insist

>on SVHS, check out the AG460, its a 2 chip so it'll be

>more pricy.  Minolta has a 2 chip Hi-8 that is supposed

>to be pretty good also.

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>I lean more towards Hi-8 because overall picture quality is better.

It depends on your needs.  The AG450 is rugged and will function
better in low light than the AG460.  VCommercial videographers I know
do use it.  But the extra features and quality of the AG460
definitely make it a good investment.  Also, we have had good luck
with an AG4400 recorder coupled with a WV5100 camera (both
Panasonic), and you can sometimes find these used.

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I'm more dubious about Hi-8; many users report "dropouts".  Even when
using Hi-8 for acquisition, they may bump to S-VHS for editing.
Below I'm reprinting parts of two letters from the Videotech mailing
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Subject: Hi8 Dropout Torture Test
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

Having recently purchased a Hi8 camcorder, I had set out to
purchase a high end editting deck, either Hi8 or SVHS.  One of the
many considerations seemed to be the alleged tendency of Hi8 tapes
to have "dropouts."  For this reason, some netters suggested SVHS
as having less dropout tendency because of its larger tape format,
thereby offsetting Hi8's "spec" superiority.  Since I was unsure
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These are the descriptions that have been associated with
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> A--Dropouts can look like little sparkles in the picture

> B--A small white streak across a scan line.
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> D--black streaks about 1/10 of the way across the screen (one
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> E--noise or black frames
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> F--dropouts where the soundtrack cuts out entirely.
>
> G--a short-duration glitch in the video and/or audio. You'll get a
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>    lines are missing for a moment) and the sound will go dead for a
>    moment.

As you can see, the definition of a "dropout" varies in severity
(from quoted Type A to G) depending on the beholder.

Some people seem sure that dropouts in Hi8 are a serious risk.
Others suggest that with Hi8 tape improvements, the problems is
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So I decided to run a test.  I mounted my Nikon VN-750 (Sony
TR101) on a tripod, and aimed it at a dark piece of cloth.  A
compact disk was playing to provide a steady musical soundtrack.
This scene was recorded for 6 minutes on a Sony Hi8 Metal-P 60
minute consumer tape.  The tape area where the test was made had
previously been recorded once with the lense cap on to provide
timing marks, and once with a false start on the test scene.  So
the "master" was recorded on a tape that had been recorded twice
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I then carefully reviewed the recorded scene (played back through
the camcorder), looking for signs of "dropouts" per the many
descriptions given above.  Since I do not have single frame
capability, all of the observations in the testing were made "on
the fly," hence determination of the timing mark where the
"dropout" occurred did have some minor error.

On the first playback, there were 3 visual disruptions, best
described by Type "A" above.
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I then proceeded to rewind and replay this sequence many times.  I
also recorded a short segment of the same scene on another section
of the tape, for later comparison.

By the end, I had replayed the scene 26 times, making careful
observations at the 6th, 12th, 18th, 20th, and 26th playbacks.

Here are the results.

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1st replay, baseline:   Type A at 2:41
                        Type A at 4:41
                        Type A at 5:45

        (note:  at 6:00 minutes, the tape hits the end of the reel.
        This was intended, so that the camera would stop itself.
        But the subsequent concentration of "dropouts" that
        tended to form after 5:45 indicates that there were some
        end effects going that were hard on the tape in that area,
        and should probably be disregarded).
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6th replay              Type B at 2:46
                        Type A at 4:34
                        Type B at 5:51

12th replay             Type A at 0:06
                        Type A at 0:32
                        Type C at 5:52
                        Type C at 5:55

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18th replay             Type A at 2:48      Type A at 5:30
                        Type A at 3:31      Type C at 5:51
                        Type A at 5:03      Type C at 5:53
                        Type A at 5:11      Type C at 5:56
                        Type A at 5:20

20th replay
                        Type B at 1:03      Type A at 4:09
                        Type B at 1:48      Type A at 4:55
                        Type A at 2:39      Type A at 5:11
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                        Type C at 2:45      Type A at 5:21
                        Type C at 2:48      Type C at 5:53
                        Type C at 2:50      Type C at 5:56

26th replay
                        Type A at 0:29      Type A at 4:42
                        Type A at 1:25      Type A at 4:59
                        Type A at 1:26      Type A at 5:10
                        Type C at 2:45      Type A at 5:21
                        Type C at 2:50      Type C at 5:50
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                        Type B at 3:41      Type C at 5:52
                        Type A at 4:05      Type C at 5:56

Conclusions:

Based on the number of increases of sparkles or lines, it is
apparent that the quality of the Hi8 video was deteriorating
somewhat over time.  At no time, however, did I experience any of
the more severe video or any of the audio interuptions as
described by types E through G.
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In fact, as viewed on a normal television monitor, most of these
glitches would not have been apparent to a casual observer.  That
is, they were always momentary, probably only 1/30 second (1 frame
duration).  And when I replayed and "casually observed" the short
extra segment on its 1st replay and compared it to the longer
scene on the 27th replay, there was not a noticeable difference in
quality.

But if you were producing a professional video for rebroadcast or
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Date: 3 Oct 92 04:33:32 GMT
From:deccrl!news.crl.dec.com!rdg.dec.com!decvax.dec.com!maxx!tyager@de
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cwrl.dec.com (Tom Yager)
Subject: Re: Animation Editing Setup
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Paul
Emerson) writes:
>>
>> I am try to put together a low cost video setup.  . . .

>> question is Hi-8 or S-VHS.  I am also thinking about
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>> multimedia, and Sony seems to be heading in this area with

>> much of there newm video equipment.

>> Is S-VHS a dead-end in this area?

Sony certainly has a more aggressive marketing campaign,

trying to establish VISCA as a defacto VCR control standard.

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VISCA is capable enough, but for my uses (which include

single-frame animation using professional, commercial software),

the packages I use expect to talk with industrial or broadcast

decks through VTR controllers.

S-VHS is overkill if all you want is video overlay on a PC; buy a
CVD-1000and a Video Blaster and go to town. The CVD-1000 will not do


animation,however, and you may find (as many of us have) that Hi8
doesn't stand upto the beating that even a mildly active production
facility hands out.  You'll also find that more expensive decks have
features (examples: more front-panel controls and visual feedback,
built-in TBCs for cleaning up incoming and outgoing signals and
syncing to external sources, sturdier construction) not found in
less-expensive models. I can see using a CVD-1000 as a dubbing deck
to get from Hi8 to some other format, but not much more. I used
Sony's industrial Hi8 editing deck for a while (who knows what
model--it's all numeric soup to me) and found it to be pretty
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capable. I'm just not comfortable with Hi8 as an editing format.

. . .

>> Any comments on these:
>> Sony CVD-1000 Vdeck
>> Sony EVO-9700 Desk-top Editing Machine

I've got a V-deck, but I use it exclusively for interactive
multimedia work; it isn't even cabled into my editing suite. I jack
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my Canon A1 Digital's output directly into the 7750 so I don't risk
losing irreplaceable footage to the dreaded Hi8 dropout.
>> Thanks.
>> Paul
>> --
>> Paul Emerson                             | Global Technology
Assoicates, Inc.
>> President                                | 7198 Harbor Heights
Circle
>> Email: [e-mail]                      | Orlando, FL 32835
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>> CIS: 72355,171                           | Tel [phone] FAX
407-295-1954

I hope all goes well for you.
(ty)

--
Tom Yager, BYTE Multimedia Lab Director
           Author, Addison-Wesley UNIX programming book (Summer,
1991)
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          I read a flyer on it, it looked like a afordable solution
          for those of us without expense accounts.  I just think it's
          a little too good to be true.  How can it do 24bit animation
          at anywhere near 30fps?  A friend of mine has an Opal-Vision
          board on a 2500.  He was running some nice looking 24bit
          animations, but only at about 15fps.  As I understand it the
          Editmaster plays back stored video from the HD in real time
          using Jpeg compression.  I hope it's true, since it's the
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          for those of us without expense accounts.  I just think it's
          a little too good to be true.  How can it do 24bit animation
          at anywhere near 30fps?  A friend of mine has an Opal-Vision
          board on a 2500.  He was running some nice looking 24bit
          animations, but only at about 15fps.  As I understand it the
          Editmaster plays back stored video from the HD in real time
          using Jpeg compression.  I hope it's true, since it's the
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>Yes, buy InterChange Plus.  It converts the entire
>hierarchy and does a better job of converting
>the surface information.  Call [phone] for
>more info.


 Thanks, I'll check into InterChange Plus for converting Imagine to
          Lightwave, But I gotta tell ya this Toaster is starting to
          look a lot like a "Money Pit".  Oh well, as my pappy always
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>           I just got Pixel 3D to convert Imagine objects to Lightwave.
>           Now I find that if the object is a group it will only load
>           the parent object.  Does anyone know how to get the entire
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>                                       Brian Bowles
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>
.Ya Brian,
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.Load the object up into imagine, ungroup the pieces, then save out
.each individual piece.  Then once converted you can choose whether
.or not you want to regroup them.

.Of course this is all dependent on whether or not you have imagine!

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          I do have Imagine, and I will give your solution a try.
          Maybe NewTek would consider adding Imagine support to
          lightwave as an update? :-)
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> >
> >Hi Guys,
> >
> >Does anyone out there has any experience with the Digital Editmaster by
> >Digital Micronics, Inc. For all my single frame animations, I was thinking of
> >buying it.
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> >Email: [e-mail]
> >Disc: All opinions are mine and mine only.
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> >
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>     As soon as I heard of Editmaster I rushed out and called the
> company.  Needless to say it wasn't out yet.  Anyhow the only person I
> reached who had even seen the thing saw only a beta version doing
> realtime JPEG decompression/compression as a video loop through to a
> large screen display.  It sounds neat, but when you add in teh cost of a
> high speed SCSI board and DRIVE required to get a decent compression
> rate, playback rate the cost goes from the retail $1000 for the board
> alone to plus 1 or 2 g's at least.

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The board retails for $2495, still an awsume deal!  and I was under the
impression that it worked quite well with a simple 2091 and Quantum hard
drive.. (What like $500 bucks for 100Meg) So if you're talking RETAIL only
maybe $3000, but a good single frame deck (actually the cheapest is about
$4000, street price (sony 9650)) and since this is digital, its bound to
be better quality, and there ain't no tape heads to blow out.  So maybe
you can get the whole deal for $2300 street price..  wow, like I say I
can't wait for this guy!


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>
> Anyways, if you DO get it , or if anyone else has it or has used
> it please post! >
> I am waiting to see a demo tape before I make any decisions.
>
> PS:     I'm not sure if it's shipping yet....may want to call DMI at
> [phone] or fax [phone]
>
>
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> |  Michael B. Comet - Computer Programmer / Graphics Artist  - CWRU    |
> |  [e-mail]  - "IF THEN THEN THEN = ELSE ELSE ELSE = THEN "     |
> +======================================================================+
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Greetings:

Like a lot of people posting to this group, I'd like
to do some Lightwave animations, but can't afford
the single-frame recording deck and controller
card.

One way to get *something* on tape besides pretty
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still renderings is Rend24 -- or so I've heard.

I got a copy of the program and the docs, but the
versions don't match. I've got instructions for a
CLI version and the program for the windowed
version.

Is there any kind soul out there willing to mail me
a set of step-by-step instructions starting from
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Rend24 can ingest?

Much thanks.

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Don't be too leary of this posting, just because its a shameless commercial
plug! :-)

I am not associated with Syndesis, other than as a happy customer.  I
regularly use ICPlus to go from Imagine to Lightwave (2.0) and it
does everything he says it does.  Good Job and a tip o' the hat
to the team at Syndesis!

-=b=-
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> Brian Bowles writes:
> >           I just got Pixel 3D to convert Imagine objects to Lightwave.
> >           Now I find that if the object is a group it will only load
> >           the parent object.  Does anyone know how to get the entire
> >           object converted to Lightwave?
>
>  From "Scott Jones (Dr. Jones)" [e-mail] writes:
> > Load the object up into imagine, ungroup the pieces, then save out
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> > each individual piece.  Then once converted you can choose whether
> > or not you want to regroup them.
>
> Wrong answer!  Just use InterChange Plus.  It converts between
> LightWave objects *and scenes*, Imagine hierarchical objects, Turbo
> Silver 2.0 and 3.0, VideoScape, Sculpt, PAGErender, Atari ST CAD-3D,
> Vista DEM (digital elevation maps), makes 3D text from outline fonts,
> and more.  And there's add-on Converters for Wavefront, AutoCAD,
> Digital Arts and 3D Studio.
>
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> InterChange Plus does a much better job of translating surface
> information.  It preserves almost everything: color, reflected color,
> filter color, refraction, specularity, etc.  When you go from Imagine
> to LightWave, it automatically makes accurate named surfaces for all
> the different attributes in the Imagine object.  When you go from
> LightWave to Imagine, it automatically makes "sub-groups" for each
> surface, so it's a LOT easier to re-select sets of faces within
> Imagine sub-objects to edit their characteristics.  And it can
> convert a hierarchical Imagine object to a LightWave scene, writing a
> proper scene file as well as separate LightWave objects for all those
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> Imagine sub-objects.  Or vice-versa: load a LightWave hierarchical
> scene and make it a hierarchical Imagine object.
>
> And at $99.95 retail, it's a lot less than Pixel 3D Pro, at $249.95.
> Our manual is a lot better, too.  We've got a special offer going.
> ICP is just $69.95 if you buy it direct from Syndesis.  Call (608)
> 455-1422.
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          The best version of Rend24 is Rend24I.  It goes the Rend
          frontend one better.  All you do is click on directories,
          sellect output options and go.  I never could get the CLI
          version to work right, even using the step by step
          instruction that was printed in "Video Toaster User".  I
          will upload Rend24I to wuarchive tomorrow, and let you know
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Hi Michael (Michael B. Comet), in <[e-mail]> on Nov 24 you wrote:

: large screen display.  It sounds neat, but when you add in teh cost of a
: high speed SCSI board and DRIVE required to get a decent compression
: rate, playback rate the cost goes from the retail $1000 for the board
: alone to plus 1 or 2 g's at least.

    Well you can look at it this way... but look at it a different
way. HOW MUCH FOOTAGE can you record in JPEG on a 1.2 GIG hard drive. The
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them with software for virtually unatended edits of up to 1 hour.

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Hi Scott (Scott Bethke), in <[e-mail]> on Nov 24 you wrote:

: Supervhs.  Ive heard that the AG460 has some much better features, but
: have never seen one to compare, but I think its got 2CCD's which would
: improve resolution.

    Yes it improves resolution but it also reduces its light
sensetivity and it does not behave as good as the 450 in low light
situations.

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: price.  One thing I think would be cool, is if panasonic would put there
: 5-pin edit protocal port on there camera's, so I could just use my ag1960
: with an aga96 controler and plug in to my camcorder as a source machine.
: being on a budget that would work great for me!  Perhaps this is something
: the AG460 Has..>?<

    The AG460 has a 5 Pin panasonic port but the constant shuffle of
the machine like the AG460 might not be wise on something that you use for
acuiring your source. Alot of ware and tare on the heads does add up, I
would not risk it on something like the Camera especially if you depend on
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> As part of an animation I,m creating, I need to produce some reasonably good
> looking rocket plumes.  I believe this is not a trivial task to do well.

Its actually pretty trivial depending on what you consider "doing it well".
I tend to create two teardrop shaped objects, one about 50% smaller and
inside the other. Use transparent edges, no diffuse or specular, and set
to luminous on both. Use animated fractal noise for color and transparency
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>     I just think it's a little too good to be true.
>     How can it do 24bit animation at anywhere near 30fps?
>     A friend of mine has an Opal-Vision and gets only about 15fps.

Because Opal-Vision achieves no where near the level of image compression
that Editmaster can, it cannot provide 30fps at video resolution. It
remains to be seen how good the signal/image integrity is on the Editmaster,
but suffice it to say that others have achieved what DMI is claiming they
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          For any and all interested the Rend24I program can now be
          found on Wuarchive (128.252.135.4) in the directory of
          systems\amiga\incoming\gfx\REND24I.LHA   If you are haveing
          trouble with the CLI version of the program I think you will
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Hi Guys,

I am trying to create a 3D logo using the Toaster's Modeler tool. I could create
the logo in two dimension using the polygon tool, but when I try to add the
depth then the modeler adds the depth to only one of the letters in my logo.
Is there is something that I am doing wrong?

Thanks.

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Hi Guys,

I have seen Panasonic's AG450, AG460 Cameras. They look okay to me. For most
part they take good pictures. But the only problem is the light sensitivity.
It seems like the moment we start talking about the 2CCD, 3CCD chip cameras, the
light sensitivity goes down. And we have to start worrying about the external
light sources. About the cameras, does anybody else makes good 2CCD or 3CCD
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Has anybody used Panasonic WV-F250? Any comments..

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|From [e-mail] Wed Dec  2 02:30:32 1992
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|I have seen Panasonic's AG450, AG460 Cameras. They look okay to me. For most
|part they take good pictures. But the only problem is the light sensitivity.
|It seems like the moment we start talking about the 2CCD, 3CCD chip cameras, the
|light sensitivity goes down. And we have to start worrying about the external
|light sources. About the cameras, does anybody else makes good 2CCD or 3CCD
|cameras, has anybody out there have used cameras other than Panasonic, how
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|difference between these various cameras? Does anybody knows if Sony takes
|better pictures than Panasonic?

I use a 460 myself as well as a small JVC S-VHS that I mount on my
Steadicam.  The 460 is great IF you have enough light; I've shot great
footage outdoors and indoors under theatrical lighting, and indoors
under banks of flourscent lighting.  The +16(?)dB gain helps in lower
light situations, but you start to see a lot of video noise in darker
areas with the gain up.

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controls for each channel of the stereo HiFi audio track (as well as
automatic).

The down sides of the 460 are that when you turn the power off and back
on again, the tape time counter is reset to 0, and that playing back a
tape on the 460 causes occasional white flashes in the image, although
the tape plays back fine on my other S-VHS decks (1960's) and tapes
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Rob P. Martin writes:
>So what kinds of jobs are people out there on the net using the
>Toaster for?

My Toaster is used almost exclusively for LightWave and is the basis of
my animation and graphic services company. The jobs I use it for vary widely
and include logos, corporate training and sales, legal litigation, and
video kiosks. I have also recently completed a two minute LW generated film
that was intended to show off some techniques I have been developing
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various clients that would not have otherwise considered doing something
much more complex and interesting than the goofy logo stuff. When I hear
requests for 1 to 4 minutes of detailed character animation, I get rather
excited.

>What kind of rates are people charging?

Depends a great deal on the type of work. Simple logo stuff averages out
to around $300/sec give or take some. Kiosk stuff involves a lot of stills
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which I truly enjoy and that can get pricey.

>What is your usual length for a company logo? (ie. 2-3 secs?)

Yeah, in that ballpark.

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film to one of the ftp sites (I'll let ya know when I do). Also, I am toying
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I used to have an Amiga 1080 monitor for use on my 2000/toaster setup.  I
recently picked up a used Sony 1302 multisync and was curious what everyone
else uses and what they thought about it.  I think I need another RGB cable
as the toaster isn't booting.  I've read about the Toaster being particular
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>I used to have an Amiga 1080 monitor for use on my 20/toaster setup. I
>recently picked up a used Sony 1302 multisync and was curious what everyone
>else uses and what they thought about it. I think I ned another RGB cable
>as the toaster isn't boting. I've read about the Toaster being particular
>about the monitors that are conected. Thanks.

>Andy

I had a simular problem with my Mitsubishi Diamond Scan monitor. After
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I'm  animating on the fly. I want to create another 200 frame sequnce but I
can only allocate about 240 frames per animation. I want to save all my
objects in the last frame in the first animation and continue from
there. How can I save the last frame with all its keys for the continuing
series of frames in a new scene. Thanks for tolerating my poor wording.

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> Here's a typical friday brain belch...
>
> I'm  animating on the fly. I want to create another 200 frame sequnce but I
> can only allocate about 240 frames per animation. I want to save all my
> objects in the last frame in the first animation and continue from
> there. How can I save the last frame with all its keys for the continuing
> series of frames in a new scene. Thanks for tolerating my poor wording.
>
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total number of frames you can have in your "preview" animation, not in
your total animation.  So if you had 200 frames, and want to add 200 more,
simply set (in SCENE) your starting frame to 201 and LAST frame to 400,
this is in the 240 fram limitation and will allow you to preview those
last 200 frames.  The # of frames allocated depends on the # of objects,
and textures avail, so if you wanna bump this up, just add more ram.  But
there is NO need to work on animation's in seperate blocks enless of
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> >
> > Here's a typical friday brain belch...
> >
> > I'm  animating on the fly. I want to create another 200 frame sequnce but I
> > can only allocate about 240 frames per animation. I want to save all my
> > objects in the last frame in the first animation and continue from
> > there. How can I save the last frame with all its keys for the continuing
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> Barb,
>   When lightwave save it can "only" allocate 240 frames it means thats the
> total number of frames you can have in your "preview" animation, not in
> your total animation.  So if you had 200 frames, and want to add 200 more,
> simply set (in SCENE) your starting frame to 201 and LAST frame to 400,
> this is in the 240 fram limitation and will allow you to preview those
> last 200 frames.  The # of frames allocated depends on the # of objects,
> and textures avail, so if you wanna bump this up, just add more ram.  But
> there is NO need to work on animation's in seperate blocks enless of
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> course the next scene in your animation has completely different objetcs
> than in the previous scene.
>
> -Scott Bethke
> liquid magic productions

Another trick is to set your step to either 2 or 3 which will allow
you to view 2 or 3 times as much of your animation in the preview.
You still are limited to the 240 frames but you will be skipping
frames allowing you to view up to frame 720 or so.  When you do your
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you set).  When you playback your preview you must choose either 15fps
for a 2 frame step or 10fps for a 3 frame step.  This will give you
the same speed as if you were previewing a single frame step preview
at 30fps.  The motion will not be as smooth as the final 30 fps
single frame step animation but at least you can get a good idea of
where things are going and how fast and make your coarse adjustments.

In most cases, I preview everything at either a 2 or 3 frame step
until I get down to tweeking the spline controls and such because it
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I'm just now starting to learn Lightwave (and can't believe it took me this
long to get around to it!!).  Does anyone know of any good books or tapes
to learn all the little tools in both modeler and lightwave?

I've gone through the manual tutorials and am following along the tutorials
in VIDEO TOASTER USER.

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> Side note. For those interested, I'll be posting a frame or two from my
> film to one of the ftp sites (I'll let ya know when I do). Also, I am toying
> with the idea of creating a video that includes the film and a few hours
> of detailed discussion of the techniques I used to create it (if people
> would be interested in this sort of thing). It would be a bit more
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Yeah Mark I would be interested.

Got a question for you on a different note.
When I scan in a logo, convert it from IFF to an object, and then try
to apply a surface, the surface just freaks!  :-(  the color of the
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normal lightwave objects but do not notice a difference.

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated..

Thanks Bud..
Scott..
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scenes?   I am looking specifically for human figures and a wheelchair (for
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> Does anyone know of any FTP sites that have Toaster objects, surfaces, or
> scenes?   I am looking specifically for human figures and a wheelchair (for
> an upcoming production on the ADA - Americans with Disabilities Act).
> Thanks!
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>> Side note. For those interested, I'll be posting a frame or two from my
>> film to one of the ftp sites (I'll let ya know when I do). Also, I am toying
>> with the idea of creating a video that includes the film and a few hours
>> of detailed discussion of the techniques I used to create it (if people
>> would be interested in this sort of thing). It would be a bit more
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Does anyone out there know of a font editor that will work with Amiga 2000
and Toaster's lightwave 3D.

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Can anybody tell me how can I make use of the layers feature in the modeller.
I am trying to create a 3D picture and I want to use this layer feature.
I can activate all the different layers and start working in them, but when
the time comes to combine pictures from various layers into one, I am
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> Does anyone out there know of a font editor that will work with Amiga 2000
> and Toaster's lightwave 3D.

For editing 3D fonts, you can do that in Modeler. For converting 2D fonts
to 3D fonts, you can use either InterFont from Syndesis or Pixel Pro from
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> but when
> the time comes to combine pictures from various layers into one, I am
> confused, and don't know what to do?

The layers in Modeler is one of my favorite features that other modelers
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>Hi Guys,

>Does anyone out there know of a font editor that will work with Amiga
>2000 and Toaster's lightwave 3D.

>Any help will be appreciated.

>Thanks.


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Well to coin a phrase on this list "Try Interchange Plus".  Every time
          I asked a question about converting 3D objects I got that
          response.  I finally gave in and purchased the program and
          wow!  Converting the objects is real nice, it does a great
          job, but there was a real surprise on the disk I had heard
          nothing about.  A 3D font converter.  One that takes
          outline fonts, included on disk, and converts them to 3D
          objects.  All you do is type in your text, I think you can
          have up to 6 lines worth) tell the program the  font and
          size, if you want beveled edges, normal, bold, italic, and
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          the surface which includes luminous, glass, wireframe, ect.
          Then just click on render.  You get the object in your
          chosen format ready to include in your latest rendering.

          I would recommend "Interchange Plus" to anyone interested in
          3D modeling.  By the way this is not a paid advertisement,
          but the testimony of a very satisfied customer.
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 Well to set it straight..... Interchange PLUS Totally SUCKS!
With the old interchange you had toturn the copyback off for just about all
the module in order for them to work.... Well in Interchange Plus its even
worse...it does not work on any '040 no matter what! that includes a mercury
'040 , a Zeus '040 or the G-foce '040.... Totally LAME!!! In order for it to
work at all I have to switch back to '030 mode... LAME AS HELL!!!
On the other hand Pixel 3D Pro works great... it had some weird problem at
first with imagine files...but they fixed that... and although its not
perfect..at least it WORKS!!
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Mark Thompson <[e-mail]> writes:

> For editing 3D fonts, you can do that in Modeler. For converting 2D
> fonts to 3D fonts, you can use either InterFont from Syndesis or
> Pixel Pro from Axiom. For editing 2D fonts there are several packages
> available, but because I never have had any need for that, I'm not
> sure what they are.

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To clarify a few points about fonts and 3D...  First there are bitmap
fonts.  They're made of bits, not polygons or Bezier curves.  Small
fonts (like 9 "point" Topaz) contain very little information.  Larger
fonts (say 80 pixels tall) contain more information.  If you want to
autotrace some bitmap text, you need large bitmap fonts.  Pixel 3D
Pro's manual recommends 100 pixels or larger.  Why?  Because a large
bitmap might contain more information about the delicate parts of the
letter's shapes.  (Of course, it's perfectly possible to enlarge
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So when you autotrace a letter or log, you need the largest bitmap
possible in order to have any hope of retaining the details.  You
can't get hi-res blood from a low-res turnip, and you might be forced
to spend hours adjusting the resulting "automatic" approximation of
your bitmap.

Next there's outline-based, structured fonts.  Example of this
include Compugraphic fonts, Type 1 fonts, TrueType fonts, etc.
Glyphs (letter-shapes) are described with lines and curves, not
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bits.  In Type 1 fonts, this is done within a grid of about 1000
units, meaning you'd need at least a 1000 pixel-tall bitmap font to
represent most of that information, if not a 2000 pixel-tall font. In
InterFonts, the points are placed with an maximum accuracy of about
600 units.

So, with an outline-based font, you can approximate the shape of
curves with variable densities of line segments.  If you want to do a
close fly-by, you want very dense approximations of the curves.  You
can adjust this smoothing with InterFonts.
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With autotracing, this sort of approximation is a great illustration
of the old computer science axiom "garbage in, garbage out."  If the
original bitmap isn't about twice as accurate as the data you'd like
to extract, you're just exaggerating the noise of your approximation.
The back of Pixel 3D Pro's box says they support structured fonts,
but the manual says only bitmap fonts are supported.

I've given a lot of thought to autotracing.  It's tough to do right,
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bitmap to do it well, and you end up spending hours tweaking the
results of this supposed time-saver.

Syndesis evaluated Pixel 3D at least twice in the past five years
when Axiom asked us to publish it, and we refused.  It wasn't up to
our standards. I know how to do it...  I helped research and write the
Bezier-based, full-color autotrace in Harvard Draw for Windows, an
illustration package from Software Publishing Corporation.

As for 2D font editors, Soft-Logik has advertised that they'll be
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on this front will no doubt please users of LightWave.

BBOWLES <[e-mail]> writes:

> wow!  Converting the objects is real nice, it does a great
> job, but there was a real surprise on the disk I had heard
> nothing about.  A 3D font converter.  One that takes
> outline fonts, included on disk, and converts them to 3D
> objects.  All you do is type in your text, I think you can
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> size, if you want beveled edges, normal, bold, italic, and
> the surface which includes luminous, glass, wireframe, ect.

Sounds good so far, except we really don't do bevels, we only do
extrusions.  Also, although we include 23 pre-made InterFonts on the
disk, be sure to note that the Masterpiece fonts are also available
in InterFont format.  You see these InterFonts in a *lot* of
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Christopher L. Seguine <[e-mail]> writes:

> Well to set it straight..... Interchange PLUS Totally SUCKS!  With
> the old interchange you had toturn the copyback off for just about
> all the module in order for them to work.... Well in Interchange Plus
> its even worse...it does not work on any '040 no matter what! that

We did have some '040 problems in the first releases, we believe we
fixed them many weeks ago.  (We went to a lot of trouble very quickly
to fix these bugs - we purchased and Fed Ex'd the necessary hardware
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for debugging, for example, and modemed new versions to customers who
had bothered to call and complain.)  The bugs were not present in
"just about all the module".  The fun part is, they don't show up on
every A4000 / GVP / Zeus / Mercury / board, it's quite random.
Welcome to Amiga development.

Our standard policy is "bug fixes are free."  Did you bother to call
to report this to us, or was this pleasant little note your way of
telling us you're having trouble?  :-)  If you had called, we would
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> On the other hand Pixel 3D Pro works great... it had some weird
> problem at first with imagine files...but they fixed that... and
> although its not perfect..at least it WORKS!!

I have the most recent release of Pixel 3D Pro.  Even simple things
scrog the RAM disk or crash the machine.  It still generates Enforcer
and Mungwall hits.  As far as I know, Pixel 3D Pro was sent to
distributors, then they recalled it because of bugs.  At one point, a
distributor assured me they had it in stock, but when I called Axiom
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to order it, they said it wasn't shipping.

If you're up for comparisons, tell me about your experiences with
technical support from Syndesis versus Axiom.

Or maybe you can compare the manuals of the two products. InterChange
Plus' manual is 135 pages, Pixel's is 48.  Where we spend at least
three-four pages describing exactly what we support in each format,
Pixel has roughly one sentence for each.

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    Not directly related to the lightwave discussion, but is there
an AmigaDos 2.04 command similar to Unix's kill command.  I've been having
trouble getting rid of pesky tasks that don't finish.  This problem
is multiplied by a machine that thrives on multitasking.
    Is there some public domain program to solve this problem?
The Echange prefs tool works with only tasks written for it.
Comments - Suggestions, please.
    I am sure other lightwave users would benifit.

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        I've been using lightwave for a while now and am just about redy
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How many people have seen the videotape of sequences from Babylon 5? Just got
a copy today & it looks impressive. Lightwave Pro will be worth every penny
of your hard earned dollar.

Mark, put me on your list of people interested in your multi-hour tutorial
Lightwave videotape! Let us know the details when you are ready. Christina
told me about "Blobby Man several months ago.

A few months ago I converted about 30 megs of 3D Studio objects into
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Michael Meshew writes:
> How many people have seen the videotape of sequences from Babylon 5?

Haven't seen a released tape but I did see the latest stuff at the NewTek
X-mas party a week ago.

> Mark, put me on your list of people interested in your multi-hour tutorial
> Lightwave videotape! Let us know the details when you are ready.

I'll post something to this list when its ready.
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> converted lost about half of their original file size. Is that true when
> converting from other formats like WaveFront?

I'm not sure about 3D Studio but Wavefront is an ascii format and consequently
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Hi Guys,

Is there a package that I can use to create new fonts for toaster that can be
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Any help will be appreciated.


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Hi Guys,

Is it possible to use Toaster CG fonts into lightwave 3D?


Have a very merry christmas and a happy new year.

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> Carol Louann Hall (Carol Louann Hall <rutgers!tenet.edu!louhall>) wrote:
> I still
> havn't figured out how to make an impressive firery explosion.  If I could
> get some pointers on this delima it would be most appreciative.

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graphics. But a reasonable approach in LW is to combine several effects:
1) Make your object expand in size, shrink the polygons, and fade it out.
2) Add a cluster of single point polygons (particles) and expand and fade
   them with particle blur enabled.
3) Add a semi translucent luminous sphere or blobby round object with
   transparent edges and an animated fractal noise texture (red and yellow)
   that also expands and fades.
Together, these can produce a fairly nice effect (with a little work).
Also, a skilled artist can do wonders by hand painting the explosion.


Since not many frames are needed, this isn't as bad as it sounds.
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> Hi Guys,
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> Is there a package that I can use to create new fonts for toaster that can be
> used with toaster.

Is that for LightWave or the CG?

The CG can use any of the system fonts, but lightwave has to use "objects"
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Hope that helps
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Another way to combine layers into a single object besides cutting and
pasting is to make all the layers you want active and save that.  Make
multiple layers active by holding shift when selecting additional layers.
All active layers will be automatically combined into a single object
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|A few months ago I converted about 30 megs of 3D Studio objects into
| Lightwave format. I could not help but to notice that the larger objects, whe
| converted lost about half of their original file size. Is that true when
| converting from other formats like WaveFront?
| Thanks,
| Michael Meshew
| T.O.O.L. (Toaster Owners Of Louisville)

I believe that 3DS requires objects to be made of triangles.  As result,
many objects have approximately twice as many polygons as the equivalent
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Imagine has the same triangle limitation, so Imagine objects should shrink
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Well, I've asked around but haven't been able to find an answer so I
figured I would ask here.

Does anyone have a converter for Atari (I guess) 3D2 objects?  I have
several Star Wars and Star Trek objects in this format that I would
like to convert to something else but I can't seem to find a
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Bob Lindabury asked about converting Atari ST CAD-3D objects.
Man alive, how many times does a guy have to repeat himself? :-)

InterChange Plus, off-the-shelf, in the box, handles reading
of CAD-3D objects, both versions 1.0 and 2.0.  (We don't
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CAD-3D objects are all triangles, but they are typically
oriented correctly, not randomly oriented like Sculpt
or Imagine, meaning they work well as single-sided
LightWave or VideoScape objects.  They don't carry much
in the way of color or texture, though.   They also
sometimes contain a little slop in the form of points
that aren't quite coincident, degenerate triangles, etc.

Incidentally, the principal guy behind CAD-3D is Tom Hudson,
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who's now working for Autodesk on 3D Studio, along with
Gary Yost, a former Antic person, and Dan Silva of Deluxe
Paint fame, and Peter Kennard, one of the early programmers
of Caligari.  Darrel Anderson also works on 3D Studio;
he built a lot of those Antic object disks that Syndesis
helped Antic convert to Amiga formats, now in the discount
bin of your favorite Amiga dealer.

You'll still find .3D2 objects in the Atari forums on
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> Bob Lindabury asked about converting Atari ST CAD-3D objects.
> Man alive, how many times does a guy have to repeat himself? :-)

Erg.  I guess I mentally blank out anything having to do with Atari's
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> InterChange Plus, off-the-shelf, in the box, handles reading
> of CAD-3D objects, both versions 1.0 and 2.0.  (We don't
> bother exporting to .3D2, though, so if you're hoping to
> move objects back to your ST, you'll need to find another
> route.)
>
> CAD-3D objects are all triangles, but they are typically
> oriented correctly, not randomly oriented like Sculpt
> or Imagine, meaning they work well as single-sided
> LightWave or VideoScape objects.  They don't carry much
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> in the way of color or texture, though.   They also
> sometimes contain a little slop in the form of points
> that aren't quite coincident, degenerate triangles, etc.
>
> Incidentally, the principal guy behind CAD-3D is Tom Hudson,
> who's now working for Autodesk on 3D Studio, along with
> Gary Yost, a former Antic person, and Dan Silva of Deluxe
> Paint fame, and Peter Kennard, one of the early programmers
> of Caligari.  Darrel Anderson also works on 3D Studio;
> he built a lot of those Antic object disks that Syndesis
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> helped Antic convert to Amiga formats, now in the discount
> bin of your favorite Amiga dealer.
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> You'll still find .3D2 objects in the Atari forums on
> Compuserve and GEnie...
>
> For more information about InterChange Plus, call
> [phone].
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Ok...so now that we have a couple of more plugs for InterChange Plus,
I will let those that own it in on a little treat.  My BBS, "The
Graphics BBS", has a bunch of these .3D2 objects in the Atari file
section.  They are all Star Wars and Star Trek ship objects.

You can either dial in to the BBS by calling 1-908/469-0049 at speeds
up to 38,400 bps or send a request to [e-mail]
with the following in the text of your message:

HELP
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/DIR

This will send you help and a directory listing of all files.  The
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Enjoy and Happy New Year!

-- Bob

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is there a way to render an animation starting on a specified frame?  This
way I can render only a part of an animation.

sorry if this is a stupid question but I figure thats what we're here for.

please help a Lightwave Guppy

JOSHUA TSUI
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Normally I treat your posts Mark as if they were a fact of nature, but I
think I must disagree with this one... remarkably.

>> Can anybody tell me how can I make use of the layers feature in the
>> modeller. but when the time comes to combine pictures from various layers
>> into one, I am confused, and don't know what to do?

> The layers in Modeler is one of my favorite features that other modelers
> don't have.

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 I feel that there is good reason for this. While the idea of working in layers
on one section of an object is appealing to me... it should not be a solution
to the modular object approach.
 Imagine/TurboSilver's approach of having nearly umlimitted components, each
with it's own local axis is unsurpassed for ease of creation and ease of
interobject animation.
 I realize that the layers approach in modeler is ment for working on just one
object component.. saving that as a seperate object, working on another, etc.
and then loading these pieces one at a time into Lightwave to be glued
together.  It is just to clumsy and time consuming.  Hopefully a newer version
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> Just use copy/cut and paste to paste all your layers into one
> and then save the composite object. It is best to do all your surface
> naming in the individual layers before you combine them all.

 Unless I am mistaken,  all you need to do is hold the shift-key while seleting
the TOP gadget for each layer containing points.  All the points of the object
should now be selected and it can be saved as a complete object.
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> Normally I treat your posts Mark as if they were a fact of nature, but I
> think I must disagree with this one.

Hi David,
Glad to hear I carry a little bit of credibility :-)

> While the idea of working in layers
> on one section of an object is appealing to me... it should not be a solution
> to the modular object approach.

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Both the LW and Imagine methods have their strengths and weaknesses. Your
point about the limitation of the layers approach is very valid. But what
I enjoy about layers is the speed and ease with which you can selectively
place one or more pieces either in the foreground, background, or not visible
at all. I must confess I am not certain about Imagine, but I thought it
was a bit more constrained when it comes to this.

>  Imagine's approach of having nearly umlimitted components, each
> with it's own local axis is unsurpassed for ease of creation and ease of
> interobject animation.
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I also agree that something akin to Imagine's axis would be great for texture
orientation and sub-object motion. I could do without the method Imagine
uses for placing/sizing textures with the axis. It is unecessarily confusing.

> object component.. saving that as a seperate object, working on another, etc.
> and then loading these pieces one at a time into Lightwave to be glued
> together. Hopefully a newer version of lightwave will address character
> animation more than just "load from scene" does.

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Yes, better integration of Modeler with LW is needed. Many people have voiced
this request, including myself. I think you will see them more tightly coupled
as time goes on. I can't talk about the next release, but I think it will
exceed your expectations.

> Unless I am mistaken, all you need to do is hold the shift-key while seleting
> the TOP gadget for each layer containing points. All the points of the object
> should now be selected and it can be saved as a complete object.

That is correct as Stuart pointed out. I generally never use that approach
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to free up the used ones whenever possible. It is a nice trick/short-cut
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JOSHUA TSUI writes
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> is there a way to render an animation starting on a specified frame?  This
> way I can render only a part of an animation.

Yup, just do this.  Go to the scene menu and select your starting frame.
Input the frame you want to start on, then select your ending frame and
put in the frame you want to end on..

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> sorry if this is a stupid question but I figure thats what we're here for.

We all have to start somewhere...

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> Both the LW and Imagine methods have their strengths and weaknesses. Your
> point about the limitation of the layers approach is very valid. But what
> I enjoy about layers is the speed and ease with which you can selectively
> place one or more pieces either in the foreground, background, or not visible

    Yes. It is very nice and elegant IMO.

> at all. I must confess I am not certain about Imagine, but I thought it
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    It is. The closest you'll come is either hide points which only deals
with points of an object or when you are editing points/edges/faces of an
object only that object is redrawn on screen updates (redraw, zooming, panning,
etc.) I'd like to see either layers or a "Hide Object" function in Imagine.

> >  Imagine's approach of having nearly umlimitted components, each
> > with it's own local axis is unsurpassed for ease of creation and ease of
> > interobject animation.
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    It does make comparing objects very simple. I hardly ever work on one
object without another loaded in at some point. Even though this can be done
in Modeler its just not the same. I find I use almost every layer for a single
object in LW.

> I also agree that something akin to Imagine's axis would be great for texture
> orientation and sub-object motion. I could do without the method Imagine
> uses for placing/sizing textures with the axis. It is unecessarily confusing.
>
    For textures or brushmaps or both?? Its the best I've seen so far. In
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LW you have to mess and fidget with texture sizes and placement through integer
gadgets. Not very intutive. With Imagine you have a pretty good idea of where
your map/texture is going once you understand it. I admit, by making surfaces
that encompass the precise area of that the brushamp will have you can be sure
of where it goes in LW. I prefer the Imagine method.
    Here's a question that I haven't pursued. If you map an image to a
surface, and the map is smaller then the surface, what happens? I've been
told LW will tile the image so it fills the surface. Is this correct? Or will
the objects surface settings border the image map?

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> exceed your expectations.
>
    Ah! I hope so. Especially in the <ahem> dongle area. :) How long may
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is there a way to network two or more video toasters so I can do network
rendering?

Can parnet do this?  How did Todd Rundgren put his 10+ toasters together?
Did he write special software?

yet another question to ponder over the new year, HAPPY HOLIDAYS!!

My New Year's resolution is to not stay up all night playing with Lightwave
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Bob,
What a great idea!!  Sign me up, please.  I have two Toasters in my department,
 and there are four others on this campus.  I'm relatively new to this E-mail s
tuff, but I have many years experience in video, and have a Toaster for three y
ears.  I don't spend as much time with it as I'd like.  My students all love it
, and your idea for a group like this is long overdue.  I'd be happy to help ar
chive the articles for you, but I need some help in figuring out how to do it.
Please keep in touch and let me know how to help.  Thanks.

Alan.
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This is my second attempt at contacting you.  Please acknowledge receipt, OK?
I have 2 Toasters, with four more on campus, and six others in the area.  Yes,
I'm very interested in joining the user group.  I'll also be happy to help with
 the administration of archiving the articles.  The biggest problem is, I'm new
 to this electronic mail stuff, and don't know quite what to do.  If you'll giv
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Sorry, this is a test.

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Hi Joshua (Joshua Tsui), in <[e-mail]> on Dec 30 you wrote:

: is there a way to network two or more video toasters so I can do network
: rendering?
    Nope not at this time. If I understand Correctly New TEK is not
even considering doing that since this would deduct from their sales.
Although the suggestion has been asked of Alan Hastings many times.
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: Can parnet do this?

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    Parnet will fail miserable because the thing is that the Toaster
uses a little hack that will render the Parallel port totally useless so
PARNET will not work.

:How did Todd Rundgren put his 10+ toasters together?
    Do not know about TODD I do know how Foundation Imaging/ RON
Thornton did it and they have a bonified network with a server, network
cards and plenty of machines hooked up. At this time they are USING an IBM
as a server. But Commodore should be coming out with a way to make your
Amiga a server and hook up other amigas to it (all in a graphical
interface to)